WFT's Off-Season Thread

[mooby]

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mooby

Still doubting his drive to succeed?

He's always been pretty jacked but he looks like a monster now.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Still doubting his drive to succeed?

He's always been pretty jacked but he looks like a monster now.

Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.

How about Robert McCune back in 2005? The man crushes on this guy were out of control. Dude looked like he was chiseled out of granite but he simply couldn't play.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by mooby

Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.

Apples oranges. Takes much more than size, but Tebow is naturally a 220# or so guy in terms of natural body weight. No chance of playing TE in NFL at that size. He did what he had to and bulked up for his new position. Doesn't mean he is second coming of Tony Gonzalez, but is what you expect from high character guy like him. Keep in mind he is also a QB in a pinch, meaning you could keep 2 QBs if you dress him. I would not be surprised at all if he makes roster as #3 or #4 TE with intended use in some gimmick play packages where he throws. I think Meyer is only keeping him if he is truly one of top 53 players.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Apples oranges. Takes much more than size, but Tebow is naturally a 220# or so guy in terms of natural body weight. No chance of playing TE in NFL at that size. He did what he had to and bulked up for his new position. Doesn't mean he is second coming of Tony Gonzalez, but is what you expect from high character guy like him. Keep in mind he is also a QB in a pinch, meaning you could keep 2 QBs if you dress him. I would not be surprised at all if he makes roster as #3 or #4 TE with intended use in some gimmick play packages where he throws. I think Meyer is only keeping him if he is truly one of top 53 players.

Tebow's natural position based on body type is not a traditional TE, but an H-back like Gibbs used frequently.

[FrenchSkin]

Ok, keep in mind I'm a fan of WJ3's signing (see my previous posts) he is great at coverage, his man press is outstanding and you see him making solid pattern matching in zone.

But there seems to be a pattern of not being a fan of frontal contact. Was willing to give him a pass on week 1, first real live contact after shoulder injury, but week 5 against the Ravens you can still clearly see he wants no part of tackling a guy running at him.

He still had a really good game, I don't even think he was targeted once, he had airtight coverage all game.

Just be ready for a couple of infuriating business decisions every know and then, as he doesn't seem to love taking frontal hits.

Ok, he has outside contain... but does he need to have 2 yards outside the field contain?


Clear path to the ball carrier, wants no part of it:


Really, that's your best effort ? Not necessarily asking for a perfect block shed and TFL, but a legit tackle attempt when the runner is past your blocker ?


This one is comical to me. Just a body language thing. Granted it has no effect on the play, and he would have never been the one making the tackle anyway. But just look at the whole D reading run, WJ3 staring at the ball carrier and still back pedaling while everyone else is converging to the ball. The line is clearly run blocking, his guy is clearly coming at him to block, the QB is 15 yards from the RB and not faking anything and he is still back pedaling. It's ok man, you're safe...

[skinsfaninok]

WJ3 is a damn good press man guy, you can use him in so many ways. Great signing

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

WJ3 is a damn good press man guy, you can use him in so many ways. Great signing

Yeah he is impressive in man press. But it also shows in zone cause he has his responsibility but he's actually covering the guys in his zone very well, he's never covering air.

[CRedskinsRule]

On the last play (comical one) i would actually praise him for that. Didn't happen on this play, but that is how reverses and flea flickers are prevented from happening. If opponents see tape of him biting on the run they will surely send some reverses, or other tricks to take advantage of it.

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

On the last play (comical one) i would actually praise him for that. Didn't happen on this play, but that is how reverses and flea flickers are prevented from happening. If opponents see tape of him biting on the run they will surely send some reverses, or other tricks to take advantage of it.

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Nah he still has a run contain responsibility, he can't just bail out on the run because sometimes there are trick plays. Plus the timing on this one is way beyond being cautious in case of trick plays IMO, the QB is clearly out of the play, and nobody is in position to take any kind of reverse.
There's a world between biting too early (and giving reasons to future opponents to call trick plays) and back pedaling several seconds after it has become clear it's a plain run.

Again, great signing, great addition. Just saying he's not gonna make plays against the run and it might create some frustrating situations, like conceding a 3rd and 9 on an outside run. That's something guys like Kyle Fuller or Moreland at very good at.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Nah he still has a run contain responsibility, he can't just bail out on the run because sometimes there are trick plays. Plus the timing on this one is way beyond being cautious in case of trick plays IMO, the QB is clearly out of the play, and nobody is in position to take any kind of reverse.

There's a world between biting too early (and giving reasons to future opponents to call trick plays) and back pedaling several seconds after it has become clear it's a plain run.



Again, great signing, great addition. Just saying he's not gonna make plays against the run and it might create some frustrating situations, like conceding a 3rd and 9 on an outside run. That's something guys like Kyle Fuller or Moreland at very good at.

edit. Nevermind

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

edit. Nevermind

I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.

Right....but it’s hard to state it as a rock solid fact like you do when you don’t necessarily know who was supposed to be doing what on any given play. Also looking at two games when the guy has played several years may not be an accurate sample size. For all we know he had a bum shoulder or something in those games and they told him to lay off heavy contact. 🤷*♂️ By all accounts we got a really good player, so I wouldn’t sweat it just yet.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.

Your post was fine, my nevermind was because i had written something but when i looked back at the play I was wrong. ( i thought a RB had leaked out the backside of the play for a potential reverse) All is good.

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