WFT's Off-Season Thread

[GridIron26]

Nice nugget on McLaurin's offseason workouts. I love reading stuff about McLaurin - his intelligence and work ethics are amazing.

[DYoungJelly]

Just listened to Keim's pod. He was really talking up the versatility of the Oline and how the position Flex made the group really deep.

He mentioned Charles and the coach's being impressed with his power.

Honestly, I was unsure about cutting Moses when it first happened but a straight shooter like Keith talking them up definitely puts the situation in perspective.

[Chico23231]

https://richmond.com/sports/professi...?mode=comments

Wow…I read an article last week where I swore the commissioner or the office of nfl said something like at least 70% of staffs and players were vaccinated.

The Skins players aren’t even 50% vaccinated…!!! Wow lil shocked. Not trying to make this political…strictly looking at this from a medical and nfl process/procedural views. Montez Sweat is a no way he is getting it.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://richmond.com/sports/professi...?mode=comments

Wow…I read an article last week where I swore the commissioner or the office of nfl said something like at least 70% of staffs and players were vaccinated.

The Skins players aren’t even 50% vaccinated…!!! Wow lil shocked. Not trying to make this political…strictly looking at this from a medical and nfl process/procedural views. Montez Sweat is a no way he is getting it.

I can’t say as I blame him. I’m retired Army and there were several times in my career where it was “you’re getting this shot, don’t worry about what it is it will be in your shot record”…and it’s not there and I don’t know what it was. Considering the politics around this virus, I haven’t and won’t get the shot either. Oh and every person I know including my wife and son have had side effects.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

I can’t say as I blame him. I’m retired Army and there were several times in my career where it was “you’re getting this shot, don’t worry about what it is it will be in your shot record”…and it’s not there and I don’t know what it was. Considering the politics around this virus, I haven’t and won’t get the shot either. Oh and every person I know including my wife and son have had side effects.

+1

I don't have any immediate plans on getting the shot either. I had Covid (March of 2020), and came away with only 3 days of losing my ability to taste and smell, along with a dry cough for a 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I know there are many others whose situation was much different and dire, but I'm just putting my situation out there. I've also never taken a flu vaccination and has NEVER had the flu, and I'm 48 years old.

I, too, know a guy who took the "jab" and has dealt with severe fatigue (while occasionally dealing with being in a "fog") issues for the past 2 1/2 to 3 weeks.

For the people who has decided to get the shot, then that's your prerogative. But don't chastise others who are against doing so. There are known complications for lots of people who has gotten the vaccine, as well as some folks are going on about their business and feel fine. But who's to say there may not be complications down the road..... One doesn't know.

[MTK]

I'd guess most teams are in the same boat with vaccinations. We're talking about young athletes who already think they are invincible, couple that with vaccine hesitancy in the black community and I think getting to herd immunity in the NFL among the players is a long shot.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'd guess most teams are in the same boat with vaccinations. We're talking about young athletes who already think they are invincible, couple that with vaccine hesitancy in the black community and I think getting to herd immunity in the NFL among the players is a long shot.

I love when people say they want “more facts” before they get the shot. That seems to be a common mantra, and Sweat voiced that opinion as well. Like the results from hundreds of millions of shots in arms aren’t enough data. The benefits are clear and evident, as are the downsides of not getting the shot. For our team, the NFL as a whole, our communities and the world at large.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I love when people say they want “more facts” before they get the shot. That seems to be a common mantra, and Sweat voiced that opinion as well. Like the results from hundreds of millions of shots in arms aren’t enough data. The benefits are clear and evident, as are the downsides of not getting the shot. For our team, the NFL as a whole, our communities and the world at large.

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

Could not agree more. None of these are even approved by the FDA either. All emergency use.

If you have the shot, you're not better than anyone that doesn't. And if you don't have the shot, you're not better than anyone that does.

Our country is based on the freedom to make the choice of what we think is best for us or our family. That's it. It starts with individual freedom.

If you want the shot get it, if you don't want it, don't get it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

I would say the doctors and scientists have a pretty good idea about whether or not there could be long term side effects from the vaccine. They know exactly what the vaccine consists of and surely can make an educated summation of whether or not it could be dangerous. Unless it is death, it is a better alternative to the virus. Look at the long term side effects, let alone the deaths, that the virus has on people. Months and months later some still have major lung issues, etc.
I mean what more facts do you need other than the virus has killed millions of people??? That is fact enough for me. All the garbage chemicals in different crap foods, and illicit drugs and alcohol people consume but the want more information on a medicine? Ok.

And honestly being fully vaccinated I dont care if you get it or not. Im good. Swim at your own risk. I cant get it. I cant pass it on. From a football standpoint it bothers me because i would hate to see Sweat and others wind up getting it or being exposed and missing time. But hey to each their own. Im not chastising anyone. I fully disagree though.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I would say the doctors and scientists have a pretty good idea about whether or not there could be long term side effects from the vaccine. They know exactly what the vaccine consists of and surely can make an educated summation of whether or not it could be dangerous. Unless it is death, it is a better alternative to the virus. Look at the long term side effects, let alone the deaths, that the virus has on people. Months and months later some still have major lung issues, etc.
I mean what more facts do you need other than the virus has killed millions of people??? That is fact enough for me. All the garbage chemicals in different crap foods, and illicit drugs and alcohol people consume but the want more information on a medicine? Ok.

And honestly being fully vaccinated I dont care if you get it or not. Im good. Swim at your own risk. I cant get it. I cant pass it on. From a football standpoint it bothers me because i would hate to see Sweat and others wind up getting it or being exposed and missing time. But hey to each their own. Im not chastising anyone. I fully disagree though.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

I won't hold it against someone that is waiting per say after all it has not gone through typical vetting, but the argument that we don't know the longitudinal effects of the vaccine just doesn't hold water. We also don't know the longitudinal effects of the virus and in the historical context of diseases and cures the long term effects of the disease are almost always more severe. It is what it is the perception of risk versus the actual risk very rarely match up.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I won't hold it against someone that is waiting per say after all it has not gone through typical vetting, but the argument that we don't know the longitudinal effects of the vaccine just doesn't hold water. We also don't know the longitudinal effects of the virus and in the historical context of diseases and cures the long term effects of the disease are almost always more severe. It is what it is the perception of risk versus the actual risk very rarely match up.

Not to mention that who gives a fuck about long term effects when the short term effects are millions dead and millions more sick.

[MTK]

Problem is Sweat's reasoning is off for not getting it.

"I'm not a fan of it," Sweat said. "I probably won't get vaccinated until we get more facts and that type of stuff, but I'm not a fan of it at all. I haven't caught COVID yet, so I don't see me treating COVID until I actually get COVID

The vaccine is about preventing serious illness, it's not a treatment. If he wants facts plenty are out there from reliable sources if he wants them, including the expert the team brought in. Sorry but he just comes off ignorant AF here.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MTK

Problem is Sweat's reasoning is off for not getting it.



The vaccine is about preventing serious illness, it's not a treatment. If he wants facts plenty are out there from reliable sources if he wants them, including the expert the team brought in. Sorry but he just comes off ignorant AF here.

I guess "My body, my choice" isn't a thing anymore.