WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Scalper

And you would never have enough talent around him to win anything. He is a good not great QB, especially as pocket passer.

Rams have a solid core with talent EVERYWHERE except QB, such a trade much more defensible for them, especially getting to dump the AWFUL Goff contract, he NEVER should have been extended.
Ramsey is a HOF-caliber shutdown corner, sound trade. Not opposed to ALL trades for picks, Ramsey HOF player in prime for two late 1st rounders.
They traded a total of 2 1sts (2016-2017), 2 2nds, 2 3rds for Geoff, who they just traded, and a 1st for Brandin Cook, neither player still on roster. They are mortgaging the future to win a SB next 1-2 years. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but they again have a truly stacked roster and are honestly just a QB away from contending. We don't and aren't.

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

you are using one example. i'm sure there are plenty of others that have gone the other way. if this model worked more teams would do it. but it has worked for the rams.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

I would say no to that because they haven't won a SB. Assuming that we are the Rams is a HUGE mistake.

We have an elite DL, and a couple other good players. That isn't a contender no matter who you plug in at QB. We beat one winning team and only made the playoffs because we are in the worst division in football and Dallas lost their franchise QB for the year who didn't play in either game against them. What is so hard to understand here? Stafford or Watson does NOT put us in contender category, not by a longshot. NOT EVEN CLOSE. This is the problem with this franchise, perpetually mortgaging the future, in the deluded belief we are contender when we are not even close. We lost to EVERY winning team we played this year except Steelers. EVERY ONE.

The Rams have talent all over the roster and are truly just a QB away from being a contender. We are NOT anywhere close to being a contender. With a real QB instead of Goff, they could have beat the Pack or it would have been close.

Heinecke earned the right to come in as 3rd QB and get a fair shot to compete to start. You make it out black and white, we must either be willing to mortgage the future absurdly, or think Heinecke is Bart Starr. There is a middle ground. WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO BEING A CONTENDER. WE ARE 1-2 SOLID DRAFTS AWAY FROM BEING ANYWHERE IN THE BALLPARK, PLEASE PUT THE KOOLAID DOWN. SNEAKING INTO PLAYOFFS AT 7-9 AND GETTING DESTROYED IN 1ST ROUND DOESN'T EQUAL CONTENDER, AND WE HAD SOLID PLAY AT QB IN THAT GAME. WE LOST BECAUSE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD MLB, COULDN'T COVER, DIDN'T HAVE OTHER VIABLE WR THREATS, OL COULDN'T BLOCK ELITE RUSHERS, ETC. JOE MONTANA IN HIS PRIME COULDN'T HAVE ENABLED US TO BEAT THE BUCS.

The reason we are not a contender with a shiny new QB is that we lack talent all over roster except at DL. No MLB. No shutdown corner. No FS. NOTHING at WR besides McL. No franchise LT. We have to beat teams with all those pieces and HOF QBs to be a "contender." We need 3-6 more stud players to even be in the conversation as contender, plus much better depth. This is RUDIMENTARY football knowledge. If you think we are close to being a contender, you are just flat out wrong. You want to mortgage the very picks we need to have any hope of being a contender. At a minimum, we will not be a contender until we get at franchise LT, a shutdown CB, a stud MLB, a competent FS, a #2 WR, better depth at numerous positions, and of course a QB.

We need 1-2 more years of draft and develop to have any hope of being a contender. That includes drafting and developing a QB.

The belief that we are only a QB away from contending is flat out wrong. WRONG.

McVay is a brilliant coach, MUCH better than RR. Still insane we hired Jay Gruden and let McVay walk. Rams have pissed away tons of picks and will not be competitive once their window closes. We could debate the virtue of going all in they way they have, if they win a SB to them it was worth it. However, what would be madness is Homers thinking we are as talented as Rams, are just a QB away from contending like them, and then going all in mortgaging future based on belief we are a contender when we are not. You then have a team that can't contend now or in the future. Which is of course what the Redskins have done ENDLESSLY for decades+ now.

Are you sure you aren't Vinny Cerrato's cousin? Or Bruce Allen's son?

[punch it in]

At this point let someone fall in the draft, trade up if necessary for Lance or Fields. Maybe Mac Jones will be there at 19.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

At this point let someone fall in the draft, trade up if necessary for Lance or Fields. Maybe Mac Jones will be there at 19.

Even if Lance is less polished, I would rather have him. Higher ceiling. I haven’t heard terrific things about Fields, but I hear Lance is meticulous in his planning, organization, film study, and work ethic. I can get behind that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Even if Lance is less polished, I would rather have him. Higher ceiling. I haven’t heard terrific things about Fields, but I hear Lance is meticulous in his planning, organization, film study, and work ethic. I can get behind that.

Yeah i tend to lean towards lance too but I think that is because im extremely apprehensive about OSU quarterbacks right now. Point is now we certainly have to draft a quarterback or at least try to.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Potential Trade Targets:
Deshaun Watson $10.5m cap hit in 2021
Carson Wentz $25m or $35m cap hit in 2021 depending on timing due to contracted bonus
Matt Ryan $23m cap hit in 2021
Jimmy Garoppolo $25.5m cap hit in 2021
Derek Carr $19.6m cap hit in 2021
Teddy Bridgewater $18m cap hit in 2021
Nick Foles $4m cap hit in 2021
Sam Darnold $4.7m cap hit in 2021
Jalen Hurts $883K cap hit in 2021
Gardner Minshew $850K cap hit in 2021

Potential free-agent quarterbacks:
Dak Prescott 29 yo
Jacoby Brissett 30 yo
Mitchell Trubisky 28 yo
Tyrod Taylor 33 yo
Ryan Fitzpatrick 40 yo
Andy Dalton 35 yo
Colt McCoy 36 yo
Robert Griffin 32 yo
Nate Sudfeld 29 yo
Joe Flacco 37 yo
Mike Glennon 33 yo
Jameis Winston 28 yo
Bryan Hoyer 37 yo
Blake Bortles 31 yo
CJ Beathard 29 yo

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Potential Trade Targets:
Deshaun Watson $10.5m cap hit in 2021
Carson Wentz $25m or $35m cap hit in 2021 depending on timing due to contracted bonus
Matt Ryan $23m cap hit in 2021
Jimmy Garoppolo $25.5m cap hit in 2021
Derek Carr $19.6m cap hit in 2021
Teddy Bridgewater $18m cap hit in 2021
Nick Foles $4m cap hit in 2021
Sam Darnold $4.7m cap hit in 2021
Jalen Hurts $883K cap hit in 2021
Gardner Minshew $850K cap hit in 2021

Potential free-agent quarterbacks:
Dak Prescott 29 yo
Jacoby Brissett 30 yo
Mitchell Trubisky 28 yo
Tyrod Taylor 33 yo
Ryan Fitzpatrick 40 yo
Andy Dalton 35 yo
Colt McCoy 36 yo
Robert Griffin 32 yo
Nate Sudfeld 29 yo
Joe Flacco 37 yo
Mike Glennon 33 yo
Jameis Winston 28 yo
Bryan Hoyer 37 yo
Blake Bortles 31 yo
CJ Beathard 29 yo

At this point I would try to trade for Hurts (if Philly is willing to, I'm sure they want too much), or Darnold.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Potential Trade Targets:
Deshaun Watson $10.5m cap hit in 2021
Carson Wentz $25m or $35m cap hit in 2021 depending on timing due to contracted bonus
Matt Ryan $23m cap hit in 2021
Jimmy Garoppolo $25.5m cap hit in 2021
Derek Carr $19.6m cap hit in 2021
Teddy Bridgewater $18m cap hit in 2021
Nick Foles $4m cap hit in 2021
Sam Darnold $4.7m cap hit in 2021
Jalen Hurts $883K cap hit in 2021
Gardner Minshew $850K cap hit in 2021

Potential free-agent quarterbacks:
Dak Prescott 29 yo
Jacoby Brissett 30 yo
Mitchell Trubisky 28 yo
Tyrod Taylor 33 yo
Ryan Fitzpatrick 40 yo
Andy Dalton 35 yo
Colt McCoy 36 yo
Robert Griffin 32 yo
Nate Sudfeld 29 yo
Joe Flacco 37 yo
Mike Glennon 33 yo
Jameis Winston 28 yo
Bryan Hoyer 37 yo
Blake Bortles 31 yo
CJ Beathard 29 yo

Wentz = HELL NO and they wouldn't deal him to us anyway. McNabb was old and done that's why that happened.

The other guys in bold are guys I'd take.

Dak as the #1 FA but Dallas will tag him again

[skinsfaninok]

A treasure chest of draft capital and players would be necessary for Texans to seriously consider trade proposals for Deshaun Watson. At least three ones and more. Texans' stance right now is he's under contract and not available. Watson has requested trade. Staredown continues

Aaron Wilson - Houston Chronicle

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

A treasure chest of draft capital and players would be necessary for Texans to seriously consider trade proposals for Deshaun Watson. At least three ones and more. Texans' stance right now is he's under contract and not available. Watson has requested trade. Staredown continues

Aaron Wilson - Houston Chronicle

Ultimately I believe Watson wins that staring contest.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

A treasure chest of draft capital and players would be necessary for Texans to seriously consider trade proposals for Deshaun Watson. At least three ones and more. Texans' stance right now is he's under contract and not available. Watson has requested trade. Staredown continues

Aaron Wilson - Houston Chronicle

It's going to take at least 4 1sts, probably a second and one of our DLineman. No thanks.

[skinsfaninok]

Washington made the Lions a significant offer for QB
Matthew Stafford, per sources. One person familiar with the situation said the WFT offer included more immediate help than what Lions landed. Detroit went another way. The search for a QB rolls on.

Ben Standig

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Washington made the Lions a significant offer for QB
Matthew Stafford, per sources. One person familiar with the situation said the WFT offer included more immediate help than what Lions landed. Detroit went another way. The search for a QB rolls on.

Ben Standig

Rams saving us from our own stupidity.
Thank you.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Washington made the Lions a significant offer for QB
Matthew Stafford, per sources. One person familiar with the situation said the WFT offer included more immediate help than what Lions landed. Detroit went another way. The search for a QB rolls on.

Ben Standig

This is what I was referring to earlier:

Glad it wasn't us, they probably would have included Payne or Allen or Sweat, plus 2 1st's and a second. I would have been pissed.