WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[Warthog]

I think the FA QB route is too insanely expensive in terms of draft picks traded AND the FA money to get him. Watson or Wilson will be so Uber-expensive it makes my eyes water.

We can fix some of our biggest team holes with FA. FA gets you a proven player at the level you want- good, very good, excellent and outstanding. I think Rivera will get his excellent to outstanding WR in FA. ALSO, in FA - A second, lower grade WR for depth. A very good middle LB to solidify that position. Also some of the cap money will go to Scherff!

We move up in the draft by trading draft picks and maybe even one our DL surplus. Go for a Qb draft pick below the top two or three.
Then that QB draft pick competes with Heinicke. We use the lower draft picks left for OL, CB, S.

Top five defense with a much improved O and this team will be very competitive!!


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[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Warthog

I think the FA QB route is too insanely expensive in terms of draft picks traded AND the FA money to get him. Watson or Wilson will be so Uber-expensive it makes my eyes water.

We can fix some of our biggest team holes with FA. FA gets you a proven player at the level you want- good, very good, excellent and outstanding. I think Rivera will get his excellent to outstanding WR in FA. ALSO, in FA - A second, lower grade WR for depth. A very good middle LB to solidify that position. Also some of the cap money will go to Scherff!

We move up in the draft by trading draft picks and maybe even one our DL surplus. Go for a Qb draft pick below the top two or three.
Then that QB draft pick competes with Heinicke. We use the lower draft picks left for OL, CB, S.

Top five defense with a much improved O and this team will be very competitive!!


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No to trading up and pissing away draft picks, and no to pissing away the core of the future that we obtained with draft picks. Stand pat or trade down and draft a QB you like later, or take one at 19 if falls. Take the long term view. Only trades we should be making are down for more picks, picks in future drafts especially.

We don't have as much money as everyone thinks in FA, unless we structure deals to mortgage future. I agree with WR, but no other big signings except maybe at LB. The problem with FA is that teams usually don't let their best players walk and you usually MASSIVELY overpay, while getting a player or two fine, you don't build your team with FA. At least half of big name FAs NEVER produce even remotely close to their pay, it is as big a crapshoot as the draft except for the absolute elite players. There is also the risk that a player flourishing on another team does not flourish here, especially those like Godwin surrounded by talent that makes life way easier for them. When you resign your own homegrown talent, that risk is minimized.

I think I would let Scherff walk. RG too low leverage a position to tie up that much money, and he is not durable. Would depend on the price. I don't love anyone on our OL, our only elite OL at the least important position on entire OL. We have some solid depth and developmental guys, but I like a 3rd round G starting for $14M a year less a LOT better even with some drop off.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by Scalper

No to trading up and pissing away draft picks, and no to pissing away the core of the future that we obtained with draft picks. Stand pat or trade down and draft a QB you like later, or take one at 19 if falls. Take the long term view. Only trades we should be making are down for more picks, picks in future drafts especially.

We don't have as much money as everyone thinks in FA, unless we structure deals to mortgage future. I agree with WR, but no other big signings except maybe at LB. The problem with FA is that teams usually don't let their best players walk and you usually MASSIVELY overpay, while getting a player or two fine, you don't build your team with FA. At least half of big name FAs NEVER produce even remotely close to their pay, it is as big a crapshoot as the draft except for the absolute elite players. There is also the risk that a player flourishing on another team does not flourish here, especially those like Godwin surrounded by talent that makes life way easier for them. When you resign your own homegrown talent, that risk is minimized.

I think I would let Scherff walk. RG too low leverage a position to tie up that much money, and he is not durable. Would depend on the price. I don't love anyone on our OL, our only elite OL at the least important position on entire OL. We have some solid depth and developmental guys, but I like a 3rd round G starting for $14M a year less a LOT better even with some drop off.

You have to remember, and I have seen a couple of posts from others that don't realise this, that the first year cap hit is routinely a half of the value of the APY that the FA signs for. Scherrf will probably get $15m APY, but his first year cap hit would be $7.5m. This is routine in previous years and it is likely that this year some teams will go further and have a <50% cap hit in the first year given the salary cap issues the league is dealing with. Look at Roulliers new deal on OTC, $10m APY, $4.5m cap hit this year. In this case you could save cap space by extending Jonathon Allen now and take his $10m cap hit down to under $7.5m this year.

[EDIT] My point being, if it wasn't clear, that the cap space we have will stretch much further than it looks like it will.

[skinsfaninok]

Why don't you think this organization has ever had success under Snyder - Sheehan

"QB #1, if you don't have a QB in this league you are not going to win" Jay

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Why don't you think this organization has ever had success under Snyder - Sheehan

"QB #1, if you don't have a QB in this league you are not going to win" Jay

I came away from that podcast with a better impression of Jay than I had. I think he could be a really good offensive coordinator somewhere as long as he has a decent QB. I think his hands were completely tied the whole time he was the head coach....not that that really surprises any of us. Would love to hear more stories like the one he told about Pierre and Desean...between management and these guys, no wonder KC wanted out of here.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

I came away from that podcast with a better impression of Jay than I had. I think he could be a really good offensive coordinator somewhere as long as he has a decent QB. I think his hands were completely tied the whole time he was the head coach....not that that really surprises any of us. Would love to hear more stories like the one he told about Pierre and Desean...between management and these guys, no wonder KC wanted out of here.

I thought he was pretty good in Cincy. That offense made Cincy a tough team for both Pitt and Baltimore during that time.

[MTK]

The Gruden interview with Sheehan was so good. Everyone should go and listen to it. Jay definitely has a future in broadcasting.

[skinsfaninok]

Jay got some big Kudos from me as well, that guy never had a chance in DC. He was Dan's puppet the whole time.

Some interesting notes from the interview:

1. Kirk was never going to stay because he felt dissed by the RG3 situation (most of us guessed that)

2. The Kneel down situation was as bizarre as we all thought.

3. Jay never wanted Haskins , it was 100% all Dan and he knew they were taking him no matter what he told Dan.

4. He wanted to keep Kirk and Dan thought $$ was going to keep Cousins around lol. Yeah ok.

5. He emphasized "They need a QB and have never been able to find one" , said he wanted to get Smith in Free agency and KC won the trade.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jay got some big Kudos from me as well, that guy never had a chance in DC. He was Dan's puppet the whole time.

Some interesting notes from the interview:

1. Kirk was never going to stay because he felt dissed by the RG3 situation (most of us guessed that)

2. The Kneel down situation was as bizarre as we all thought.

3. Jay never wanted Haskins , it was 100% all Dan and he knew they were taking him no matter what he told Dan.

4. He wanted to keep Kirk and Dan thought $$ was going to keep Cousins around lol. Yeah ok.

5. He emphasized "They need a QB and have never been able to find one" , said he wanted to get Smith in Free agency and KC won the trade.

Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.

Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf

Jay had a good point that as the HC you can't control the culture if you don't have a say in who comes or goes. Ron has that at least.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Jay had a good point that as the HC you can't control the culture if you don't have a say in who comes or goes. Ron has that at least.

I preface this with saying I have not listened to the interview so my judgement mainly comes from the comments on the board. No one forced Gruden to stay for 5 years ending up with a net worth of 12Million dollars for coaching this team in a sea of mediocrity. From the comments here, I hear a whining motivationally challenged leader who neither inspired players, nor earned enough respect to even call the most basic goal line play in existence. Gruden may not have known DS before the RGIII/KC debacle, but by the Haskins draft he certainly had enough leverage to say if I don't get to pick the QB I'm leaving (and at that point someone would have hired him as a HC).

This isn't a defense of Snyder, but it's a fallacy at the highest to say that JG couldn't control the culture. He set the culture by accepting mediocrity, by not standing up for his players, and by being inept at understanding his players (for example: why set your qb up for failure by calling a play the WR doesn't like). The KC kneel even more now highlights a myriad of failures at a leadership level on both the part of KC and on Gruden.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf

I hope someone plays the interview for Ron...just so he truly knows what kind of boss he really has in Dan, and maybe he knows already...but I'll bet he's never seen the side of Dan that Jay did.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.

Also makes me wonder who pulled the trigger on the Alex Smith trade, was that a Bruce Allen play? At the time I agreed why we gave up such a high price for a guy who was about to be replaced.

[AnonEmouse]

Does he really need to see it to know its there? No smoke without fire.