WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://riggosrag.com/2021/02/18/was...t-quarterback/

I say this too, roll with what we got and draft Trey Lance if we can move up a few spots to get him.

Fields will be long gone by pick 10

Best article I’ve read in a minute. I’m in total agreement that we should be against mid tier free-agent pick ups. Definitely advocating for a top tier quarterback or ride with what we got and put those draft picks and free agent money into solidifying other position groups so we can go all out to attack for a top FA QB or trade up in the draft for a top prospect next year.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Best article I’ve read in a minute. I’m in total agreement that we should be against mid tier free-agent pick ups. Definitely advocating for a top tier quarterback or ride with what we got and put those draft picks and free agent money into solidifying other position groups so we can go all out to attack for a top FA QB or trade up in the draft for a top prospect next year.

Still don't think they can just roll with Heinicke & Allen. Heinicke has been injured in every NFL game he has started, and Allen is coming off a bad ankle injury. Not exactly a dynamic duo. It's a dumb idea to roll with that, and it would be complete negligence. If they both got hurt, it's over.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.

Yeah I didn’t articulate that the way I wanted reading my post again. I agree it would be negligent to not sign anyone else. But short of a top tier FA or draft pick, our target should be a low priced vet, not mortgaging draft picks or sizable cap space for a mid tier QB who will most likely not provide much, if any, real upside over our current QB tandem.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Yeah I didn’t articulate that the way I wanted reading my post again. I agree it would be negligent to not sign anyone else. But short of a top tier FA or draft pick, our target should be a low priced vet, not mortgaging draft picks or sizable cap space for a mid tier QB who will most likely not provide much, if any, real upside over our current QB tandem.

Agreed.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.

I don't know if that is what the article is saying, but bringing in a FA quarterback is sensible. Better to overpay a few millions for a stopgap then overpay in draft picks for retreads. Nothing even approaching a franchise QB is available in FA, and those that are even solid are well past prime.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

I don't know if that is what the article is saying, but bringing in a FA quarterback is sensible. Better to overpay a few millions for a stopgap then overpay in draft picks for retreads. Nothing even approaching a franchise QB is available in FA, and those that are even solid are well past prime.

Franchise QBs rarely hit free agency - unless they are past their prime. TB12 may be the only exception in the league's history.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Franchise QBs rarely hit free agency - unless they are past their prime. TB12 may be the only exception in the league's history.

Yup.

[skinsfaninok]

I wonder if the Jets are really ready to move on from Darnold. If so I bet we could get him for a 2nd or even a 3rd. I’d take a shot why not? Let’s be real, Gase is a QB ruiner

[skinsfan69]

Do not want Darnold and certainly would not give up a 2nd or 3rd for him . He isn't any better than what we already have. Lower tier starter at best. Also Gase isn't necessarily bad at scheming up offense. How is Scott Turner any better or how would he get anymore out of Darnold than Gase? Just makes no sense IMO.

[skinsfan69]

I would not give up draft picks for JAGS and hope they stick or outperform what we have. It was Stafford or bust.

Mariota, Darnold, Fitz.. NO. You got two guys in Allen and Heinike. You draft someone and under no circumstances bring back Smith.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would not give up draft picks for JAGS and hope they stick or outperform what we have. It was Stafford or bust.

Mariota, Darnold, Fitz.. NO. You got two guys in Allen and Heinike. You draft someone and under no circumstances bring back Smith.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.

I think a fourth for either Maritotta or Darnold wouldn’t be the end of the world and draft a developmental guy late might be a decent compromise.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.

This might be most likely scenario, assuming you're talking about keeping Allen and Heinicke and adding a FA vet and a rookie draft pick without trading up for a 1st Round QB. I wouldn't mind this approach at all in this stage of our team build.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I wonder if the Jets are really ready to move on from Darnold. If so I bet we could get him for a 2nd or even a 3rd. I’d take a shot why not? Let’s be real, Gase is a QB ruiner

No way. A very high second--which we don't have--maybe. You think teams don't know the value of even a decent young QB? It is amazing how much posters on this board underestimate the picks it would take to get players, and also stand ready to offer robbery-like boatloads of picks for guys like Watson. I've seen posters say 3 first rounders, 2 second rounders, plus young players on rookie deals for Watson. Insane.

We could maybe get Darnold for a 2nd and a 3rd, but why should Jets rush to trade him until they pull chute on a QB in draft if that is their intent. Make sure you have QB you want then trade. I doubt Jaguars are moving out of #1 unless one of the posters offering 27 first rounders for Watson suddenly gets a GM job in the next month and trades our next 721 1st round picks for Lawrence. If I'm the Jets, I take calls for the #2 pick from QB needy teams. Maybe someone offers an absurd ransom, you never know, especially if they move down just a few spots and still get QB they like. Darnold has way more value if the top 4 or 5 QBs are off board late in 1st round, the Jets have taken a QB with #2 pick, and teams starving for a QB seeing no other viable options they love want Darnold. Worst case scenario, you let him play out rookie deal as insurance policy and get a 3rd comp pick year after. So trading him for 3rd makes little sense. If the Jets trade him for a 2nd, doing so after drafting QB of future makes more sense.

What a cavalier attitude to piss away draft picks with. Sure, a 2nd here, a third there, why not? LOL. Not how you build a team. A 2nd round pick is a long term starter at a lower leverage position if you draft smart. We have TONS of holes. We also need to get a QB on rookie deal. What we should be doing is using that 2nd or 3rd round pick to draft a QB we like.