WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[SunnySide]

Im not giving up a 1st (19) for Stafford and def not for Matt "Ill be 36 and starting my 13th season" Ryan.

Lots of "unknown future events" will happen between now and March. I want to see who is made a FA or on the discounted trade block and I think Stafford/Ryan etc should be discounted imo.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Im not giving up a 1st (19) for Stafford and def not for Matt "Ill be 36 and starting my 13th season" Ryan.

Lots of "unknown future events" will happen between now and March. I want to see who is made a FA or on the discounted trade block and I think Stafford/Ryan etc should be discounted imo.

Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?

3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.

lol . . . i'd offer that . . . no way Lions will take it though

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

3rd and a 5th or if forced a 4th.

We had to give up Kendall Fuller for an older (and no offense to Alex Smith, but he was never on Stafford's level) and worse quarterback. Literally no way we give up that little.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?

Wouldn't give a first either but a 2nd/4th? Sure. Or a 2nd and a 3rd in 2022.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?

probably the no. 19 overall if I had to ... i really want a Qb and I like Staffords game. (I know I just sd i wouldnt). Im just not sure Matt Stafford fits what RR/Turner look for in a QB to run their system anyway.

They targeted Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinike as their cheap versions of what they want. Mobile, will work from primary read to checkdown quickly, accurate within 15 yards. Basically ball control, quick short pass game = run game, no negative plays, 1st and 2nd down seem to try and set up a 3rd and short. Seems like every play was designed to get 5-10 yards with the hope a player can make some guys miss and add some YAC. We were a paper cut offense.

Stafford seems like a 90's early 2000s drop back pocket passer always looking and pressing for the long ball. Stafford doesnt consistently amass the stats he does year after year not being good at reading Ds and knowing when to take what the D gives and I like his game ... just not sure that fits what RR/Turner want to run. RR/Turner probably want a better version of Allen/Heinike.

Hypothetically -- RR probably wants his QB to turn down a 30 yard pass if the success rate is less than 50% and to take the checkdown 5-10 yarder with a 90% success rate. Stafford would take that 30 yarder all day.

Idk .. some many things will happen here soon. i imagine our 2021 starting Qb's name hasnt even been mentioned in these threads yet.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

probably the no. 19 overall if I had to ... i really want a Qb and I like Staffords game. (I know I just sd i wouldnt). Im just not sure Matt Stafford fits what RR/Turner look for in a QB to run their system anyway.

They targeted Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinike as their cheap versions of what they want. Mobile, will work from primary read to checkdown quickly, accurate within 15 yards. Basically ball control, quick short pass game = run game, no negative plays, 1st and 2nd down seem to try and set up a 3rd and short. Seems like every play was designed to get 5-10 yards with the hope a player can make some guys miss and add some YAC. We were a paper cut offense.

Stafford seems like a 90's early 2000s drop back pocket passer always looking and pressing for the long ball. Stafford doesnt consistently amass the stats he does year after year not being good at reading Ds and knowing when to take what the D gives and I like his game ... just not sure that fits what RR/Turner want to run. RR/Turner probably want a better version of Allen/Heinike.

Hypothetically -- RR probably wants his QB to turn down a 30 yard pass if the success rate is less than 50% and to take the checkdown 5-10 yarder with a 90% success rate. Stafford would take that 30 yarder all day.

Idk .. some many things will happen here soon. i imagine our 2021 starting Qb's name hasnt even been mentioned in these threads yet.

Well to be fair, I think the game plan this year was mostly due to personnel. If they pick up a WR1 like Robinson to go opposite McLaurin, and another TE who can be a threat down the field and over the middle, you will probably see him run the offense he really wants to - a lot of motion, a strong inside running game, and looking to pass deep first, working the progressions back towards the line of scrimmage. We don't currently have the personnel to do that...but we could next year...