Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Our no. 2 defense is not close to Bucs (6th), Saints (4th), Rams (1st) defense?

Our defense and current situation is more comparable to Detroit (32nd ranked D) and Houston (29th)?

A "5 year window" is short term thinking in todays "win now" NFL?

I want to take advantage of this top 10 D and a weak NFCE. We have been saving cap space and investing 1st rounders on the DL for 4 plus years now ... how much more saving up and planning are we planning to do before we actually start executing the plan? Are we going to stay in the party planning committee stage for ever? or are we going to party?

Lets not over think this. We have a top 10 D with all the pieces young and under contract. We have McLaurin. We are a QB1, WR2, and LT away from being relevant again.

We have a ton of cap space.

The time is now. The next 3-5 years in the NFCE could be ours.

Weve been saving up for this moment. Things have gone our way in terms of drafts and FA pick ups. lets take advantage.

i dont want to stay medium and watch what we are currently holding slowly slip through our cupped hands. How much more cap space are we going to continue to not use? Are we just going to roll over 10-15 M in cap space every year until eternity?

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

That they did, Corey Davis is also a FA right now, we have young talent in Gibson, and McLaurin, and Thomas who surprised everyone. Who is to say that you insert Stafford and he doesnt give you the same or better production than Tannehill is giving???

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

That they did, Corey Davis is also a FA right now, we have young talent in Gibson, and McLaurin, and Thomas who surprised everyone. Who is to say that you insert Stafford and he doesnt give you the same or better production than Tannehill is giving???

I'm sure Stafford's mere presence would help elevate the level of play of the entire offense - as is. However, they have to add a bonafide threat opposite McLaurin, another TE who can be a threat down the field, and depth everywhere. And that's just on offense.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm sure Stafford's mere presence would help elevate the level of play of the entire offense - as is. However, they have to add a bonafide threat opposite McLaurin, another TE who can be a threat down the field, and depth everywhere. And that's just on offense.

and that can be down via free agency and the rest of the draft

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

and that can be down via free agency and the rest of the draft

If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year would be about $20M (edited).

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

Id add players playing above expectations in the secondary. but that part always gets me. I think if they got challenged more deep down field .. they would have been exposed. On the flip side, teams didnt gameplan to attack our secondary deep bc of our front 4.

Did our secondary get lucky this year ... or .. was this evidence of the mantra "the best passing defense is a good pass rush".

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

They finished at number 2 in yards allowed