Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

and that can be down via free agency and the rest of the draft

If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year would be about $20M (edited).

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year is $33M.

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

I have some questions.

Does this account for the cap savings in letting Alex Smith go?

Where did you get the $33M cap figure for Stafford? Seems to me I read that it was in the low 20's.

I just haven't seen our cap situation portrayed as being in such a bad way elsewhere.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Number44

I have some questions.

Does this account for the cap savings in letting Alex Smith go?

Where did you get the $33M cap figure for Stafford? Seems to me I read that it was in the low 20's.

I just haven't seen our cap situation portrayed as being in such a bad way elsewhere.

Yes. http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=64800

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-...stafford-6078/

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yes. http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=64800

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-...stafford-6078/

I'm pretty sure that the $33M would be Detroit's cap hit if they kept Stafford. They would be hit with $19M dead cap if they trade him. The cash for this year ($20M) would be the new team's cap hit, as I understand it. That's what I've read elsewhere, but I'm certainly no cap guru.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Number44

I'm pretty sure that the $33M would be Detroit's cap hit if they kept Stafford. They would be hit with $19M dead cap if they trade him. The cash for this year ($20M) would be the new team's cap hit, as I understand it. That's what I've read elsewhere, but I'm certainly no cap guru.

Yeah, me either. Another article does say it's more like $20M for the new team.

So that would leave about $16M of cap space for 2021.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year would be about $20M (edited).

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

We aren't the Lions, we won the division with one of the worst offenses I have ever seen (We literally got to week 17 before getting ANY opening drive score)

Better QB play leads to more points which keeps the defense off the field which keeps them fresh, which leads to more wins. A first and 3rd if that is what it takes for Stafford, I am fine with it.

Also to point out we traded for Alex in 2018 when he was 34, and he had us leading the so called better division through 9 games before his injury and in that season our offense wasnt good either. If Stafford comes here he is instantly the best QB in the division and I am including Dak in that. We would be the favorite, and player on our team will be getting better as well. We have young talent but you cant just win with only young talent.

I just want to know if we dont trade for Stafford, Watson, or Rodgers who is our starting QB next season? And if someone says Marcus Mariotta we might as well go out there with Kyle Allen

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

We aren't the Lions, we won the division with one of the worst offenses I have ever seen (We literally got to week 17 before getting ANY opening drive score)

Better QB play leads to more points which keeps the defense off the field which keeps them fresh, which leads to more wins. A first and 3rd if that is what it takes for Stafford, I am fine with it.

Also to point out we traded for Alex in 2018 when he was 34, and he had us leading the so called better division through 9 games before his injury and in that season our offense wasnt good either. If Stafford comes here he is instantly the best QB in the division and I am including Dak in that. We would be the favorite, and player on our team will be getting better as well. We have young talent but you cant just win with only young talent.

I just want to know if we dont trade for Stafford, Watson, or Rodgers who is our starting QB next season? And if someone says Marcus Mariotta we might as well go out there with Kyle Allen

The fact that they won the division with one of the worst offenses you have ever seen shows you that the schedule was pathetically soft.

I don't want them to just win the division every year (yeah I'm greedy). I want them to be able to compete for the whole thing every year. I do understand that you need a great QB to do that. I just question whether they can feasibly get a Watson, Stafford, or even Ryan, and fill out the rest of the roster - including adding depth. Maybe they can - they just hired a couple guys that would know that better than me.

In the end, I think I'm fine with a 1st and 3rd for Stafford as well, but I think before it's all said and done it will take more than that. There could be upwards of like 18+ teams that will likely be looking for a change at QB this offseason (per Schefty).

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

The fact that they won the division with one of the worst offenses you have ever seen shows you that the schedule was pathetically soft.

I don't want them to just win the division every year (yeah I'm greedy). I want them to be able to compete for the whole thing every year. I do understand that you need a great QB to do that. I just question whether they can feasibly get a Watson, Stafford, or even Ryan, and fill out the rest of the roster - including adding depth. Maybe they can - they just hired a couple guys that would know that better than me.

In the end, I think I'm fine with a 1st and 3rd for Stafford as well, but I think before it's all said and done it will take more than that. There could be upwards of like 18+ teams that will likely be looking for a change at QB this offseason (per Schefty).

You can only play who is in front of you. I dont see why you question that. Going into this season you would say there was twice as many if not 3 times the holes in the team and Ron did a good job filling some of them, got another off season with a potential camp, and FA and as of right now at least 8 new rookies with the young players that stepped up last year (Young, Gibson, Curl) going into their second season, and we get a player like Harmon back also from injury

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You can only play who is in front of you. I dont see why you question that. Going into this season you would say there was twice as many if not 3 times the holes in the team and Ron did a good job filling some of them, got another off season with a potential camp, and FA and as of right now at least 8 new rookies with the young players that stepped up last year (Young, Gibson, Curl) going into their second season, and we get a player like Harmon back also from injury

I don't "question" that, I am acknowledging that, along with the fact that next year most certainly won't turn out the same way.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't "question" that, I am acknowledging that, along with the fact that next year most certainly won't turn out the same way.

Since none of us are psychic we don't know that.

[rocnrik]

With Stafford we will be favored to win division next year and maybe win a playoff game or two ... you guys believe that with Kyle and Taylor we gonna win division? I’m not sure we would ... ( I’m not believing we gonna win division next year with anything less than 9 wins ) Take Smith out of picture ( he is done).. so what rookie at 19 pick is going to come in and scare anybody ? .. if we are going that route might as well stay with Kyle/Taylor combo.. if we try and get Stafford without trading away too much I’m good ( it will take this years 1st and maybe next years ) is that two much ?? Not if we go to playoffs next 4 years in a row ..

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Since none of us are psychic we don't know that.

You don't have to be psychic to determine whether or not there is a question mark at the end of a sentence.