WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

It would also be cheaper and most likely not cost a 1st..

And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sevier2

And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.

In what aspect is Carr demonstrably worse than Stafford?

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

In what aspect is Carr demonstrably worse than Stafford?

Demonstrably may not have been the best word to use there. And I’ll admit, Carr is a solid starter. If he came at a cheap price (or is even available?) I could get on board.

I would just much rather have Stafford. Carr seems like such a lame duck QB but after seeing some other posts with numbers I may have underestimated him... maybe.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by sevier2

And there's a reason for that. He's demonstrably worse than Stafford.

2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Number44

2020 Stafford :

16 Games. 5-11 Record. 64.2 Completion Percentage. 4084 Yards. 7.7 Yards/Attempt. 26 TDs. 10 Ints. 112 Rush Yards. 0 Rush TDs.


2020 Carr:

16 Games. 8-8 Record. 67.3 Completion Percentage. 4103 Yards. 7.9 Yards/Attempt. 27 TDs. 9 Ints. 140 Rush yards. 3 Rush TDs.

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by mooby

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Number44

Stafford:

12 Years. 31 4th Quarter Comebacks. 38 Game-Winning Drives (4 in 2020, 7 in last 3 years.)


Carr:

7 Years. 21 4th Quarter Comebacks. 24 Game-Winning Drives ( 5 in 2020. 11 in last 3 years.)

Well played, I stand corrected. I've just never heard Carr get the love for being a 2 min. drill king like Stafford has.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Stats are very comparable, but Stafford is a master of the 2 minute drill whereas Carr isn't.

I'd still take Carr though, he's young and good. Don't see Jon Gruden giving him cheap though.

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Definitely true, but in a league where there is more demand for qb's than there is supply I think even Jon Gruden wouldn't give him away cheap.

Everything depends on the price.

Yep. We might have a better chance at Carr than Stafford. And Gruden has been reported as saying he’d rather have Mariotta so.....🤷*♂️

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Gruden is more of an idiot than his brother is. Anything is possible. I’m not a believer in Jon Gruden being the football genius mind of all time. He’s a media creation and anytime you think he won’t do something because it’s stupid means there a decent chance it could happen.

Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Gruden may be overrated, but he is a solid offensive mind, who won a SB, and was the youngest coach to ever do so at the time. His offensives have generally been solid. That doesn't mean I think he is Vince Lombardi. Another example of a very good, at times great, coach that should never be given GM powers. You could honestly draw parallels between RR and Gruden. RR has never won a SB, despite having some VERY stacked teams, and is known as a players coach rather than a brilliant mind. At least the year Gruden was given a stacked team he won the damn SB! RR didn't. I like RR, but just being real. If you have a real GM who controls personnel, Gruden can be a good but not consistently great coach. It is rare to have a good ending when coach given absolute personnel power, and this does not bode well for RR era.

I think we hired Hurney because he's RR's buddy, and Mayhew because a Redskin and African American because THE DAN is being advised to be exemplary with all female minority hirings to make his other discrimination and sexism problems go away. I don't think either hiring was about objectively finding the most brilliant talent evaluator, and that is the primary job of GM, to bring in talent. Thus if we are not being homers, while the Skins should be much improved, we won't sniff a SB under RR. We don't have talented enough GMs and are ousting the only prodigy talent evaluator we have.

Yeah but it was a stacked team with Tony Dungy’s players whom he immediately got rid of and they got worse just about every year he was there until he was fired.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

Yeah but it was a stacked team with Tony Dungy’s players whom he immediately got rid of and they got worse just about every year he was there until he was fired.

As I said, he shouldn't have GM powers.