What happens with Kyle Smith?

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well I disagree about the "rarity" of him, because we have fed the league a dozen diamond in the roughs. But, no one in the league is seeing him as GM material so I don't want us promoting someone out of their ability. Mayhew has demonstrated that he can run professional football organizations, and that's what the WFT needs. I don't wish him ill, in fact I hope he succeeds. Just seems like this fanbase wants change but not THAT change.

You bring up an interesting point. Is the GM primarily administrator, or talent evaluator? Both. Skilled administrators are not hard to find. Skilled talent evaluators are. Mayhew's record of talent acquisition and evaluation is mediocre, neither great nor horrible. None of us were in the room, so we can't know how much Smith has ultimately been responsible for talent we have, but those who were in the building such as Shanny say he is very, very sharp.

I hate letting Smith walk and bringing in Hurney and Mayhew, but this is not as obvious as say the need to draft a QB and not trade for one. We had about a third of the young guru coaches in the league in our building, but didn't have the sense to keep any. Only time will tell if we made same mistake with Smith, but if Atlanta is stacked with talent in two years, and our drafts look mediocre, we'll know. It is telling that it took Smith less than a week to find a new job.

If we are evaluating Smith fairly, however, we must give him credit for our DL and gems like McLaurin, Gibson, Curl, etc., but also some of the gaping holes at WR, TE, etc. He gets a pass on QB because THE DAN meddled, forcing Haskins on him, as well as the albatross contract of Smith, who while a feel good story has never won anything. We can only wonder where we would be if Smith had been free to not trade for Smith nor draft Haskins, but rather had been allowed to pick the QBs he scouted as being the best. THE DAN'S meddling is just insane, burdens us with $20M+ Smith cap hit after trading our best young corner and a 3rd, plus wastes another 1st on Haskins. Plus if we had kept and resigned Fuller, we would have had an additional comp pick.

We can never know, but I think this hire comes down to two things: (1) Smith wanted to take a more long-term draft oriented approach, and Riviera like all coaches except a few has to be concerned about short-term production to keep his job. Developing a non-top-tier QB over 1-2 years is not how new coaches keep their job. Case study in why GM should be above coach in hierarchy. (2) Given THE DAN'S meddling and overall history of organization, RR wants people who are emphatically loyal to him.

It would have been interesting to see who Smith would have drafted for us at QB this year if given latitude to build the right way, but we'll never know. . .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

You bring up an interesting point. Is the GM primarily administrator, or talent evaluator? Both. Skilled administrators are not hard to find. Skilled talent evaluators are. Mayhew's record of talent acquisition and evaluation is mediocre, neither great nor horrible. None of us were in the room, so we can't know how much Smith has ultimately been responsible for talent we have, but those who were in the building such as Shanny say he is very, very sharp.



I hate letting Smith walk and bringing in Hurney and Mayhew, but this is not as obvious as say the need to draft a QB and not trade for one. We had about a third of the young guru coaches in the league in our building, but didn't have the sense to keep any. Only time will tell if we made same mistake with Smith, but if Atlanta is stacked with talent in two years, and our drafts look mediocre, we'll know. It is telling that it took Smith less than a week to find a new job.



If we are evaluating Smith fairly, however, we must give him credit for our DL and gems like McLaurin, Gibson, Curl, etc., but also some of the gaping holes at WR, TE, etc. He gets a pass on QB because THE DAN meddled, forcing Haskins on him, as well as the albatross contract of Smith, who while a feel good story has never won anything. We can only wonder where we would be if Smith had been free to not trade for Smith nor draft Haskins, but rather had been allowed to pick the QBs he scouted as being the best. THE DAN'S meddling is just insane, burdens us with $20M+ Smith cap hit after trading our best young corner and a 3rd, plus wastes another 1st on Haskins. Plus if we had kept and resigned Fuller, we would have had an additional comp pick.



We can never know, but I think this hire comes down to two things: (1) Smith wanted to take a more long-term draft oriented approach, and Riviera like all coaches except a few has to be concerned about short-term production to keep his job. Developing a non-top-tier QB over 1-2 years is not how new coaches keep their job. Case study in why GM should be above coach in hierarchy. (2) Given THE DAN'S meddling and overall history of organization, RR wants people who are emphatically loyal to him.



It would have been interesting to see who Smith would have drafted for us at QB this year if given latitude to build the right way, but we'll never know. . .

Fairly good points, but I still note Smith was hired for the SAME POSITION not the GM or even asst GM. He can evaluate talent, but maybe he has some traits of his father when it comes to GM. I dunno, but going back to his stance on Haskins, and looking from a manager (RR) perspective, while he was right in that instance I imagine that it also could be seen by Ron as a warning sign if the two disagreed on picks and KS was GM. Would he go to Dan screaming that RR was making a mistake picking player x? Would he tell reporters thay he disagreed when RR didn't listen to his advice?

Just saying. A healthy front office is more than one excellent talent evaluator.

I wish KS nothing but the best, but this wasn't the place for his next step.

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[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Fairly good points, but I still note Smith was hired for the SAME POSITION not the GM or even asst GM. He can evaluate talent, but maybe he has some traits of his father when it comes to GM. I dunno, but going back to his stance on Haskins, and looking from a manager (RR) perspective, while he was right in that instance I imagine that it also could be seen by Ron as a warning sign if the two disagreed on picks and KS was GM. Would he go to Dan screaming that RR was making a mistake picking player x? Would he tell reporters thay he disagreed when RR didn't listen to his advice?

Just saying. A healthy front office is more than one excellent talent evaluator.

I wish KS nothing but the best, but this wasn't the place for his next step.

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I agree this wasn't the place, because it still isn't a functional franchise.

Smith was always class act, never trial by media type, let's be fair to him.

Smith was right about Haskins, plain and simple. Worst part is he'll probably clean up his act under Steelers and they'll get a free franchise QB, but cutting him was the right choice.

I truly think Smith wants to do it right and build via draft and no coach stays that course as the end of their contract looms if they have personnel power. Smith is, I think, telling RR here's two QBs we should draft and develop this year, and RR wants to bring in a veteran to compete right away. There is no more fundamental disagreement than divergent QB philosophies. So the guy advocating the sound decision has to go.

I think you are correct that RR is also concerned THE DAN will meddle, especially by year 4 when some FAs weren't working, the honeymoon is over, we are good but not elite. THE DAN will start looking to meddle, and then starts talking to everyone behind RR's back. This is what THE DAN does and always will do. ALWAYS. Anyone who thinks THE DAN has changed or will ever change is a homer. So I don't fault RR for bringing in his own guys who will CERTAINLY tell him when (not if) THE DAN meddles, and anyone who has not been with RR long term would be more loyal to the owner than RR.

Yet I still think we let a guy go who is a better talent evaluator than either guy we hired, by a significant margin. Yet another DAN tax, in essence. We will NEVER win a SB as long as THE DAN owns the team, I rue the day he bought it.

The strategic problem is that our FO is still structured incorrectly, with the coach having power over GM. This is backwards. While the GM and coach must work together, talent acquisition should be fundamentally segregated from coaching the talent, to ensure coaches who often lack objectively don't make bad choices about talent acquisition. RR is a huge upgrade over the clowns past, but will still probably never get us to the promised land. We have to outcompete other FOs that are setup properly, who have truly brilliant GMs rather than retreads, and true franchise QBs. The dysfunction of THE DAN will perpetually prevent such a structure.