WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team



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[Scalper]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team

Posy off Twitter. Makes sense

And you would never have enough talent around him to win anything. He is a good not great QB, especially as pocket passer.

Rams have a solid core with talent EVERYWHERE except QB, such a trade much more defensible for them, especially getting to dump the AWFUL Goff contract, he NEVER should have been extended.
Ramsey is a HOF-caliber shutdown corner, sound trade. Not opposed to ALL trades for picks, Ramsey HOF player in prime for two late 1st rounders.
They traded a total of 2 1sts (2016-2017), 2 2nds, 2 3rds for Geoff, who they just traded, and a 1st for Brandin Cook, neither player still on roster. They are mortgaging the future to win a SB next 1-2 years. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but they again have a truly stacked roster and are honestly just a QB away from contending. We don't and aren't.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

And you would never have enough talent around him to win anything. He is a good not great QB, especially as pocket passer.

Rams have a solid core with talent EVERYWHERE except QB, such a trade much more defensible for them, especially getting to dump the AWFUL Goff contract, he NEVER should have been extended.
Ramsey is a HOF-caliber shutdown corner, sound trade. Not opposed to ALL trades for picks, Ramsey HOF player in prime for two late 1st rounders.
They traded a total of 2 1sts (2016-2017), 2 2nds, 2 3rds for Geoff, who they just traded, and a 1st for Brandin Cook, neither player still on roster. They are mortgaging the future to win a SB next 1-2 years. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but they again have a truly stacked roster and are honestly just a QB away from contending. We don't and aren't.

They may be stacked but they have a bit of a salary cap issue. With not a lot of room for relief. They are the definition of a boom/bust play. If they don't hit the SB next year they will blow the whole thing up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Scalper

And you would never have enough talent around him to win anything. He is a good not great QB, especially as pocket passer.

Rams have a solid core with talent EVERYWHERE except QB, such a trade much more defensible for them, especially getting to dump the AWFUL Goff contract, he NEVER should have been extended.
Ramsey is a HOF-caliber shutdown corner, sound trade. Not opposed to ALL trades for picks, Ramsey HOF player in prime for two late 1st rounders.
They traded a total of 2 1sts (2016-2017), 2 2nds, 2 3rds for Geoff, who they just traded, and a 1st for Brandin Cook, neither player still on roster. They are mortgaging the future to win a SB next 1-2 years. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but they again have a truly stacked roster and are honestly just a QB away from contending. We don't and aren't.

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

you are using one example. i'm sure there are plenty of others that have gone the other way. if this model worked more teams would do it. but it has worked for the rams.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

you are using one example. i'm sure there are plenty of others that have gone the other way. if this model worked more teams would do it. but it has worked for the rams.

When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.

The problem I have with this line of thinking is one play could change the destiny of the franchise for the next several seasons. One play and Watson could have his leg broken in such a manner that his life would be at risk. Then what?

"Well, the franchise qb we traded for might never play again and we're out several of our high draft picks for the next couple years, but at least we can fantasize about what could've been"

I've always been about building your roster the slow draft way. If you trust your talent evaluators and they have a good working relationship with the coaching staff you can fill any position on the team, and it doesn't have to be with a first rounder either. You could build an entire team out of 3-7 late round draft picks who have become elite despite the odds.

It's why I'm not a big fan of Ron's "get wins quick" play. We have a solid foundation but we're not 1 solid qb away from contention.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by mooby

The problem I have with this line of thinking is one play could change the destiny of the franchise for the next several seasons. One play and Watson could have his leg broken in such a manner that his life would be at risk. Then what?

"Well, the franchise qb we traded for might never play again and we're out several of our high draft picks for the next couple years, but at least we can fantasize about what could've been"

I've always been about building your roster the slow draft way. If you trust your talent evaluators and they have a good working relationship with the coaching staff you can fill any position on the team, and it doesn't have to be with a first rounder either. You could build an entire team out of 3-7 late round draft picks who have become elite despite the odds.

It's why I'm not a big fan of Ron's "get wins quick" play. We have a solid foundation but we're not 1 solid qb away from contention.

That could happen to anyone at any time. Chase Young could break his leg and never play again just walking down the stairs. At the end of the day to me, if we get Watson our SB window opens up. Thats the point. One SB win would make up for the last 30 years. As those have said our division is bad, there is an opportunity for us to grab a hold of it by acquiring Watso:

Eagles: coaching issues and QB controversy
Giants: Saquan coming off ACL surgery, Daniel Jones cant beat anyone but us, no real recieving weapons
Cowboys: Dak coming off injury, having to potentially pay Dak 40 million a year, and their defense and coaching is trash


The opportunity is there. Everyone agrees that with Stafford at the helm this year we would have won 10 games, no way you can convince me that Watson wouldnt have gotten us to potentially 12 wins

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.

problem is Casserio isn't trading him so not sure why watson is being discussed. watson will put his bruised ego aside and play for houston or play for no one.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

problem is Casserio isn't trading him so not sure why watson is being discussed. watson will put his bruised ego aside and play for houston or play for no one.

Thank you. Exactly. No NFL owner is paying a player that huge a deal and having him force a trade in the first 6 months of that deal, sets a horrible precedent. You let Watson get away with that, EVERY player will be sniveling and rebelling. Bottom line, Watson wanted out he shouldn't have signed the new deal. He did, so he's in Houston. These players are like dumb 8 year olds.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

I would say no to that because they haven't won a SB. Assuming that we are the Rams is a HUGE mistake.

We have an elite DL, and a couple other good players. That isn't a contender no matter who you plug in at QB. We beat one winning team and only made the playoffs because we are in the worst division in football and Dallas lost their franchise QB for the year who didn't play in either game against them. What is so hard to understand here? Stafford or Watson does NOT put us in contender category, not by a longshot. NOT EVEN CLOSE. This is the problem with this franchise, perpetually mortgaging the future, in the deluded belief we are contender when we are not even close. We lost to EVERY winning team we played this year except Steelers. EVERY ONE.

The Rams have talent all over the roster and are truly just a QB away from being a contender. We are NOT anywhere close to being a contender. With a real QB instead of Goff, they could have beat the Pack or it would have been close.

Heinecke earned the right to come in as 3rd QB and get a fair shot to compete to start. You make it out black and white, we must either be willing to mortgage the future absurdly, or think Heinecke is Bart Starr. There is a middle ground. WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO BEING A CONTENDER. WE ARE 1-2 SOLID DRAFTS AWAY FROM BEING ANYWHERE IN THE BALLPARK, PLEASE PUT THE KOOLAID DOWN. SNEAKING INTO PLAYOFFS AT 7-9 AND GETTING DESTROYED IN 1ST ROUND DOESN'T EQUAL CONTENDER, AND WE HAD SOLID PLAY AT QB IN THAT GAME. WE LOST BECAUSE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD MLB, COULDN'T COVER, DIDN'T HAVE OTHER VIABLE WR THREATS, OL COULDN'T BLOCK ELITE RUSHERS, ETC. JOE MONTANA IN HIS PRIME COULDN'T HAVE ENABLED US TO BEAT THE BUCS.

The reason we are not a contender with a shiny new QB is that we lack talent all over roster except at DL. No MLB. No shutdown corner. No FS. NOTHING at WR besides McL. No franchise LT. We have to beat teams with all those pieces and HOF QBs to be a "contender." We need 3-6 more stud players to even be in the conversation as contender, plus much better depth. This is RUDIMENTARY football knowledge. If you think we are close to being a contender, you are just flat out wrong. You want to mortgage the very picks we need to have any hope of being a contender. At a minimum, we will not be a contender until we get at franchise LT, a shutdown CB, a stud MLB, a competent FS, a #2 WR, better depth at numerous positions, and of course a QB.

We need 1-2 more years of draft and develop to have any hope of being a contender. That includes drafting and developing a QB.

The belief that we are only a QB away from contending is flat out wrong. WRONG.

McVay is a brilliant coach, MUCH better than RR. Still insane we hired Jay Gruden and let McVay walk. Rams have pissed away tons of picks and will not be competitive once their window closes. We could debate the virtue of going all in they way they have, if they win a SB to them it was worth it. However, what would be madness is Homers thinking we are as talented as Rams, are just a QB away from contending like them, and then going all in mortgaging future based on belief we are a contender when we are not. You then have a team that can't contend now or in the future. Which is of course what the Redskins have done ENDLESSLY for decades+ now.

Are you sure you aren't Vinny Cerrato's cousin? Or Bruce Allen's son?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

... PLEASE PUT THE KOOLAID DOWN. SNEAKING INTO PLAYOFFS AT 7-9 AND GETTING DESTROYED IN 1ST ROUND DOESN'T EQUAL CONTENDER, AND WE HAD SOLID PLAY AT QB IN THAT GAME ....

Please spit out the bitter water. We didn't get destroyed in the playoff game. Our defense went against a SB bound team that was hitting on all cylinders with the GOAT QB directing their offense. Our offense, with a qb that had 5 weeks of coaching after being in a university setting all season, came within a cat's whisker of pulling a whopper of an upset. Pull your head out of the pisser and get a clue. This team came together around a coach who was on chemo, had a complete overhaul of the front office and coaching staff and limited off-season practices. Do you know the combined record of all the new head coaches in the first 7 weeks this past season? Look it up, it ain't pretty because there was NO OFFSEASON, NO PRESEASON. We had 4 different QB's and our 1 known professional QB led this team to a 5-1 record.

Yeah you can look at it through your piss against the wind glasses, but this team, with this coach and players put together a base foundation, that with continued growth this year, and SOLID QB play, can be a contender for the next 4 years. But to do that you have to solve the qb before we will be considered a contender, and you have to do it before you waste a DL that has 4 1st rounders on their rookie deals.

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Scalper

I would say no to that because they haven't won a SB. Assuming that we are the Rams is a HUGE mistake.

We have an elite DL, and a couple other good players. That isn't a contender no matter who you plug in at QB. We beat one winning team and only made the playoffs because we are in the worst division in football and Dallas lost their franchise QB for the year who didn't play in either game against them. What is so hard to understand here? Stafford or Watson does NOT put us in contender category, not by a longshot. NOT EVEN CLOSE. This is the problem with this franchise, perpetually mortgaging the future, in the deluded belief we are contender when we are not even close. We lost to EVERY winning team we played this year except Steelers. EVERY ONE.

The Rams have talent all over the roster and are truly just a QB away from being a contender. We are NOT anywhere close to being a contender. With a real QB instead of Goff, they could have beat the Pack or it would have been close.

Heinecke earned the right to come in as 3rd QB and get a fair shot to compete to start. You make it out black and white, we must either be willing to mortgage the future absurdly, or think Heinecke is Bart Starr. There is a middle ground. WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO BEING A CONTENDER. WE ARE 1-2 SOLID DRAFTS AWAY FROM BEING ANYWHERE IN THE BALLPARK, PLEASE PUT THE KOOLAID DOWN. SNEAKING INTO PLAYOFFS AT 7-9 AND GETTING DESTROYED IN 1ST ROUND DOESN'T EQUAL CONTENDER, AND WE HAD SOLID PLAY AT QB IN THAT GAME. WE LOST BECAUSE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD MLB, COULDN'T COVER, DIDN'T HAVE OTHER VIABLE WR THREATS, OL COULDN'T BLOCK ELITE RUSHERS, ETC. JOE MONTANA IN HIS PRIME COULDN'T HAVE ENABLED US TO BEAT THE BUCS.

The reason we are not a contender with a shiny new QB is that we lack talent all over roster except at DL. No MLB. No shutdown corner. No FS. NOTHING at WR besides McL. No franchise LT. We have to beat teams with all those pieces and HOF QBs to be a "contender." We need 3-6 more stud players to even be in the conversation as contender, plus much better depth. This is RUDIMENTARY football knowledge. If you think we are close to being a contender, you are just flat out wrong. You want to mortgage the very picks we need to have any hope of being a contender. At a minimum, we will not be a contender until we get at franchise LT, a shutdown CB, a stud MLB, a competent FS, a #2 WR, better depth at numerous positions, and of course a QB.

We need 1-2 more years of draft and develop to have any hope of being a contender. That includes drafting and developing a QB.

The belief that we are only a QB away from contending is flat out wrong. WRONG.

McVay is a brilliant coach, MUCH better than RR. Still insane we hired Jay Gruden and let McVay walk. Rams have pissed away tons of picks and will not be competitive once their window closes. We could debate the virtue of going all in they way they have, if they win a SB to them it was worth it. However, what would be madness is Homers thinking we are as talented as Rams, are just a QB away from contending like them, and then going all in mortgaging future based on belief we are a contender when we are not. You then have a team that can't contend now or in the future. Which is of course what the Redskins have done ENDLESSLY for decades+ now.

Are you sure you aren't Vinny Cerrato's cousin? Or Bruce Allen's son?

Not reading all that, to answer your last two questions. I'm positive that I'm not, otherwise I'd be rich.