WFT's Off-Season Thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Goodbye.



Go root for the Rams.

We have all been WFT fans well before RR. Just because you are not in love with a particular coach or player doesn’t mean you cannot still be a fan. RR still has a long way to go. I will reserve judgment for a couple more seasons...but again we are fans of the franchise first and players and or coaches next. They come and go but we always here. Lol.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

We have all been WFT fans well before RR. Just because you are not in love with a particular coach or player doesn’t mean you cannot still be a fan. RR still has a long way to go. I will reserve judgment for a couple more seasons...but again we are fans of the franchise first and players and or coaches next. They come and go but we always here. Lol.

You are right. Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You are right. Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.

I completely agree. Seems like a weird time to finally get fed up. I just hate the notion that someone, in this case Jamf , has to be the fan of a HC who has been here a hot minute to root for the team he has rooted for his entire life.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You are right. Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

I agree 100.

Everyone has a boner over winning literally the most pathetic division in NFL history. Plus we beat one team with a winning record. I am positive about the team but I am not ready to declare Ron or the team anything special. So far par for the course in Redskin land.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

As I have pointed out, I think all the people he has brought in; Mayhew, Hurney, now Polian, have 1 thing in common, they have worked with and brought in elite qb's. You are absolutely right that the wrong QB now sets us up for many more mediocre to bad seasons. For that reason alone, I like him bringing in these guys that clearly understand the value and quality that the qb position requires.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

Mooby, I've been a fan since I moved to N VA in 1982, and played youth football for BYRC - on the fields next to where John Riggins' son played baseball. I've seen those teams you are talking about, "tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one," and unfortunately they have been gone for a long time. There can't be too many professional franchises that has made it tougher on their fans, than this one for the last ~30 years.

I agree there's work to be done. There always is, and if the organization isn't constantly working long hard hours trying to improve every aspect of the team, then they are destined to fail. It appears, at least on the surface, that this is exactly what they are doing.

But RR and his "cronies" have their work cut out for them this offseason. Last year, despite all RR went through and the Alex Smith story, was as close to a "gimme" as you can get. If this team hadn't successfully drafted a D-lineman in the first round over the past four years the results would likely have been much different. However, the results were the results, and I am excited about them.

Confidence is one thing. This new front office & coaching staff has to earn my confidence. Benefit of the doubt is another thing though. I refuse to look at every success this team manages to achieve with pessimism. I am inspired, even excited, that they were the team to ultimately win the division, rather than finish 2-4. It's something to build on. There's plenty of talent on this team, young talent, and I believe there's more on the way. Hopefully that starts with a QB that can help this team take another step forward.

There have been many reasons to not root for this team over the years, plenty of reasons to not even become a fan of this team for many years going now. This offseason seems like an odd time to make that decision - as a fan.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Mooby, I've been a fan since I moved to N VA in 1982, and played youth football for BYRC - on the fields next to where John Riggins' son played baseball. I've seen those teams you are talking about, "tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one," and unfortunately they have been gone for a long time. There can't be too many professional franchises that has made it tougher on their fans, than this one for the last ~30 years.

I agree there's work to be done. There always is, and if the organization isn't constantly working long hard hours trying to improve every aspect of the team, then they are destined to fail. It appears, at least on the surface, that this is exactly what they are doing.

But RR and his "cronies" have their work cut out for them this offseason. Last year, despite all RR went through and the Alex Smith story, was as close to a "gimme" as you can get. If this team hadn't successfully drafted a D-lineman in the first round over the past four years the results would likely have been much different. However, the results were the results, and I am excited about them.

Confidence is one thing. This new front office & coaching staff has to earn my confidence. Benefit of the doubt is another thing though. I refuse to look at every success this team manages to achieve with pessimism. I am inspired, even excited, that they were the team to ultimately win the division, rather than finish 2-4. It's something to build on. There's plenty of talent on this team, young talent, and I believe there's more on the way. Hopefully that starts with a QB that can help this team take another step forward.

There have been many reasons to not root for this team over the years, plenty of reasons to not even become a fan of this team for many years going now. This offseason seems like an odd time to make that decision - as a fan.

I'm gonna try and make it short, I agree last year is something to build on. But last year won't mean squat if RR and co. don't make the right moves this offseason. Bring in the wrong qb and there won't be any progress from last year.

Alls I'm saying is I see where jamf is coming from. In every one of those years that I witnessed, 05, 07, 12, 15, and 20, the following year were all failures. The difference between me and jamf is I choose to trust RR because his choices so far have not proven to be failures. But his choices for the staff/FO aren't exactly cream of the crop either. Results: TBD. We'll see what happens. Nothing comes easy in this league. I just think jamf is being a little premature in giving up on this staff, but only time will tell. If he's right we're all wrong. I hope that's not the case but history has repeated itself the last 5 times we went on an end-of-season run.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm gonna try and make it short, I agree last year is something to build on. But last year won't mean squat if RR and co. don't make the right moves this offseason. Bring in the wrong qb and there won't be any progress from last year.

Alls I'm saying is I see where jamf is coming from. In every one of those years that I witnessed, 05, 07, 12, 15, and 20, the following year were all failures. The difference between me and jamf is I choose to trust RR because his choices so far have not proven to be failures. But his choices for the staff/FO aren't exactly cream of the crop either. Results: TBD. We'll see what happens. Nothing comes easy in this league. I just think jamf is being a little premature in giving up on this staff, but only time will tell. If he's right we're all wrong. I hope that's not the case but history has repeated itself the last 5 times we went on an end-of-season run.

Well, that's basically what I'm saying as well. They have to make the right moves to continue to have success, starting with the QB position. I don't have a problem with any of the moves so far. Time will tell if they are the right ones, or if history will repeat itself yet again.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Well, that's basically what I'm saying as well. They have to make the right moves to continue to have success, starting with the QB position. I don't have a problem with any of the moves so far. Time will tell if they are the right ones, or if history will repeat itself yet again.

BTW I wasn't saying you were shitting on him, my words were directed towards those implying he should quit being a fan just because he doesn't like the moves Ron is making. If that was the case at some point we should all quit being fans because we've all been there at some point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.

I've been preaching that since the season ended. A bunch of things fell their way this season. So what? At least they took advantage and came out on top. It's more than we've seen in a while...

I choose to be excited about the team's successes when they happen, and I choose to be hopeful for the future after the last game of every season. That's just me. I'm not a fan of this team only when they are dominating the rest of the league from the first whistle to the last. If that were the case, I would have been gone long ago.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I've been preaching that since the season ended. A bunch of things fell their way this season. So what? At least they took advantage and came out on top. It's more than we've seen in a while...

I choose to be excited about the team's successes when they happen, and I choose to be hopeful for the future after the last game of every season. That's just me. I'm not a fan of this team only when they are dominating the rest of the league from the first whistle to the last. If that were the case, I would have been gone long ago.

I hear you lets celebrate the good times, very few around here.

I am just speaking to the over-excited that say we are a QB away from a dynasty; we are not.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.

Um we had bad qb play in alot of those losses, a head coach with cancer, no preseason (that affected new coaches exponentially more than establishef teams). The schedule is what it is. The team played well in the playoffs, against an all around strong team. Thats reason to be hopeful. Add in that it seems like Rivera has a plan and is executing it, and I think you have reason to believe with the right QB play we can make noise in the NFC

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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Um we had bad qb play in alot of those losses, a head coach with cancer, no preseason (that affected new coaches exponentially more than establishef teams). The schedule is what it is. The team played well in the playoffs, against an all around strong team. Thats reason to be hopeful. Add in that it seems like Rivera has a plan and is executing it, and I think you have reason to believe with the right QB play we can make noise in the NFC

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I am hopeful. Never said I wasn't optimistic about our future. I just like to keep things in perspective. We won a bad division w/ a losing record.