Carlos Rogers

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?

Or that maybe there were unreal expectations for him. It is not reasonable to EXPECT a rookie CB to wrestle a starting role from a guy who knows the system and fits in pretty well. It's not like we had NO other CBs on the roster when they drafted him. He has progressed faster than SHOULD have been expected. What we DID expect doesn't matter in the whole scope. We were in the wrong to expect it. Us being wrong doesn't make him "dissappointing". Just makes us wrong. Seems silly to get be "dissappointed" that you didn't get a result you had no good reason to expect.

[onlydarksets]

Most of the cushions aren't his call - there are probably only a few CBs in the league who get to decide whether they are going to play on the line or 10 yards off at the snap. In a team system like GW's I would be surprised if anyone gets to make a call like that.

He's definitely looking better as the season progresses!

[Duffman003]

I didn't see many balls thrown his way during the game, most of the balls caught where usually who springs was covering I think. But if carlos keeps improving i think we could have one of the best defensive backs in the league... even better than the 3 pro bowler Eagles.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Matt, I am not, nor have I ever been an "anti-Rogers" person. The subject of whether or not he was overrated after not cracking into the starting lineup by week 12 when Walt Harris was being burned on a weekly basis was a legitimate topic of conversation and debate. You don't draft a guy that high and Not expect him to be in the starting lineup by week 12 when others are playing that poorly. He has now been given an opportunity, and he does pretty well but still gives up a big play or two.

I put anti-Rogers in quotes because I couldn't think of a better way to put it, I didn't mean to say you're necessarily a Rogers hater or anything, just pointing out there are some circumstances beyond his control that slowed his development.

I don't think he was where he needed to be physically early in the season and that really slowed him down.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Or that maybe there were unreal expectations for him. It is not reasonable to EXPECT a rookie CB to wrestle a starting role from a guy who knows the system and fits in pretty well. It's not like we had NO other CBs on the roster when they drafted him. He has progressed faster than SHOULD have been expected.

I don't think it's the least bit unreasonable to expect at top ten pick, especially a defensive player, to take the starting job from a player who is mid tier at best, at his position. In fact, the only position that a case can be made for a top ten pick not starting is quarterback. Tailbacks, O lineman, receivers, and basically all defensive players start immediately if they are drafted in the first ten, unless they can't get the job done. It should not take 3/4 of a season to develop a supposed blue chip cornerback.

With that being said, I have always thought Rogers is the best tackling cornerback on the roster, but the insane cushion he gives on third and long plays still irritates me. He has impressed me recently though, and he'll probably be our best corner by the start of next season.

[wolfeskins]

rogers was the best cb in the draft and i'm glad the skins drafted him. he missed a lot of camp because of injury so that can explain his "tardyness" (sp) in taking over the starting position from walt harris. i have always and still do think he will be much better than fred smoot.

[saden1]

He is still not good enough to play receivers up close and personal but he is starting to get some confidence.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

In fact, the only position that a case can be made for a top ten pick not starting is quarterback.

I simply disagree on this one statement. As I stated earlier I think CB is the second hardest position to play in football. You have to understand the entire defensive scheme and how your play directly influences the positioning of everyone in the secondary. You have to know the offensive scheme enough to read for proper coverage positioning. You have understand and use proper technique to actually cover a guy and understand how to counteract specific technique that the WR will use to get away from you. It is a very difficult position that athleticism alone doesn't allow you to have success at and I think it is unreasonable to expect ANY rookie CB to be good enough to start his first season. I do agree that besides QBs and CBs a top ten pick needs to be a major contributor if not a starter almost immediately. Sort of a pointless argument though since I think we can all agree that Rogers is coming on in a real good way. Just because it is later than some thought doesn't really make him a disappointment in my book. If he is a pro bowler next year do we still call him a disappointment because he wasn't good enough to start through 10 or so games his rookie year? Anyways he is good now and I think he is certainly going to be better than Smoot. I loved Smoot but this guy is more talented. Hopefully that talent continues to blossom.

[That Guy]

it was a crap QB, he plays SO far off the line too where he lines up might not be his call, but if he could jam and run, the DC wouldn't start him so far back...

he played well this week, just like last week. His toughest challenge is vs the cards, who pass pass pass and have both WRs and a QB to toss it. If he can play as well this week, then i think he takes the unquestioned #2 spot and our starting CBs are no longer a cause for any real concern (though a better #3 would be nice).