WFT's Off-Season Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

do not want him here under any circumstances. that bridge is burned.

Bridges can be rebuilt. Most of his ire was toward the old guard that is now gone (not Scherff lol). I wouldn't break the bank, which he probably wants, but I would welcome him back if he decided to come back.

Our Oline would instantly be more formidable.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Bridges can be rebuilt. Most of his ire was toward the old guard that is now gone (not Scherff lol). I wouldn't break the bank, which he probably wants, but I would welcome him back if he decided to come back.

Our Oline would instantly be more formidable.

Even Williams is a retread.
We need to draft a young franchise LT who can protect our QB, whoever that is, the next decade. This is absolutely our single greatest long term need, outside of QB itself. What is the point of finding a franchise QB and then not having a long term QB to protect his blindside?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Even Williams is a retread.

We need to draft a young franchise LT who can protect our QB, whoever that is, the next decade. This is absolutely our single greatest long term need, outside of QB itself. What is the point of finding a franchise QB and then not having a long term QB to protect his blindside?

So your plan is with our 8 picks starting at #19 to pick a probowl level OT and a Franchise QB. Because yes it is that simple duhhh

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[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So your plan is with our 8 picks starting at #19 to pick a probowl level OT and a Franchise QB. Because yes it is that simple duhhh

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It is simple, not easy, but a good GM can get it done.
It is actually pretty simple though.

1. Don't reach massively for QB in first round, take the LT, in a draft very deep with T talent. Unless you have a guy graded as a franchise QB sitting there. Or a CB if one drops that looks like shutdown corner.

2. Take a QB you like somewhere in the draft, Heinecke goes into camp as starter, draft pick Allen compete. Ideally, draft 2 QBs you like, plus stash another UDFA on practice squad. Any GM can find one QB he likes somewhere in any draft, period. If not, fire him. I'd be fine giving Heinecke a year in worst case, but would rather draft someone and have a backup plane.

3. If no CB drafted 1st 2nd round picks, I'd spend one 3rd round pick on one, the only corner on our roster I really like is Fuller, and he is much better in slot. I would not resign Darby unless on bargain, I saw him get toasted way too much and he is a health risk, we need infusion at CB.

Ideally, by end of next year's draft, we have QB,LT,CB filled with draft picks. Long term starters. That is not pipe dream BS with 7 picks first three rounds total both years. You hit just under 50% on those picks. . . Just over and 4 starters. Your FO can't do that, shitcan them.

Ideally your board would fall so high leverage positions are high on your board. Say we nab LT 1st round, reach a bit for a QB 2nd round to make sure we get one we like, get a solid #2 CB 3rd round, plus a WR 3rd round. Hit all the high-dollar high leverage positions early in draft. Won't happen, but that's the pipe dream. One or two bust, keep trying next year, etc.

Problem is, again, I think board won't fall that perfect, and we probably take a LB and maybe FS with earlier picks.

Over say a 10 year window, you should be able to spend a 1st round pick on QB,LT,WR,CB,Edge, and ideally FS,DT,C. If all or most of your 1st round picks pan out (and you don't waste them on Homer trades) you end up with a solid foundation. If your FO can't hit on say 67% of 1st round picks, 50% of 2nd round, and 33% of 3rd round, starters though not necessarily elite, then shitcan them. Over 10 years, that would be (conservatively) 6 1st round pick starters, 5 2nd round starters, 3 3rd round starters. That's 14 of 22. Yeah some won't resign, or can't afford, some won't play 10 years, but roughly.
You should be able to hit 50% of 4th-7th round picks and UDFAs, as solid role players, ST players, maybe the occasional starter like Curl. Solid role players or backups like Ismael, Settle, Io, etc. So over say 10 years, you should end up with 20 total depth players from 4th - 7th and UDFA, roughly.
So you're talking 34 players on roster per decade if you draft smart, not assuming absurd drafting prowess. Say you then average 2 extra picks per year, via trading down or comp picks (Dallas will have 3-4 this year, for example), hit at 50%, 10 more players. Now you are talking 44 players per decade, and you're approaching enough talent via draft you aren't perpetually looking at huge roster holes everywhere. Even conceding many won't resign. If you have a good FO, you hit at higher rates, modestly not massively, than these and are styling

Let's look quickly last 10 years. Super fast. 1st - 3rd round picks, we've made so many bad picks, dumb trades, hurts to think about. But we have picked reasonably high lots of times so should have. We should have had 30 picks, and as noted, netted 14 long-term starters, not all elite. 2020, 2. 2019, 2. 2018, 1. 2017, 1 (Moreau NOT a starter). 2016, 1 (counting Fuller). 2015, 1. 2014, 1. 2013, 0. 2012, 0. 2011, 1. That is 10 total. 4 more players doesn't sound like a lot, but suppose we had a starting CB, starting WR, starting LB, and one other starting OL. Or maybe QB (if pros picked QB instead of Dan, imagine, no RGIII, no Haskins, plus 2 more 1st round picks, 4 1st round picks used wisely. . .) We can then fill most holes via draft, don't have to sign many FAs, then get comp picks, etc.

Everyone on this board is so afraid of drafting but wants to piss boatloads of picks away. To all the chicken littles, you HAVE to draft well. If your FO can't find talent consistently in the draft year to year, find a FO that can, period.

Yeah, with 8 or 9 picks, we should be able to walk away with one starting-caliber LT and one viable QB prospect, and if our FO can't do it, find one that can.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

It is simple, not easy, but a good GM can get it done.
It is actually pretty simple though.

1. Don't reach massively for QB in first round, take the LT, in a draft very deep with T talent. Unless you have a guy graded as a franchise QB sitting there. Or a CB if one drops that looks like shutdown corner.

2. Take a QB you like somewhere in the draft, Heinecke goes into camp as starter, draft pick Allen compete. Ideally, draft 2 QBs you like, plus stash another UDFA on practice squad. Any GM can find one QB he likes somewhere in any draft, period. If not, fire him. I'd be fine giving Heinecke a year in worst case, but would rather draft someone and have a backup plane.

3. If no CB drafted 1st 2nd round picks, I'd spend one 3rd round pick on one, the only corner on our roster I really like is Fuller, and he is much better in slot. I would not resign Darby unless on bargain, I saw him get toasted way too much and he is a health risk, we need infusion at CB.

Ideally, by end of next year's draft, we have QB,LT,CB filled with draft picks. Long term starters. That is not pipe dream BS with 7 picks first three rounds total both years. You hit just under 50% on those picks. . . Just over and 4 starters. Your FO can't do that, shitcan them.

Ideally your board would fall so high leverage positions are high on your board. Say we nab LT 1st round, reach a bit for a QB 2nd round to make sure we get one we like, get a solid #2 CB 3rd round, plus a WR 3rd round. Hit all the high-dollar high leverage positions early in draft. Won't happen, but that's the pipe dream. One or two bust, keep trying next year, etc.

Problem is, again, I think board won't fall that perfect, and we probably take a LB and maybe FS with earlier picks.

Over say a 10 year window, you should be able to spend a 1st round pick on QB,LT,WR,CB,Edge, and ideally FS,DT,C. If all or most of your 1st round picks pan out (and you don't waste them on Homer trades) you end up with a solid foundation. If your FO can't hit on say 67% of 1st round picks, 50% of 2nd round, and 33% of 3rd round, starters though not necessarily elite, then shitcan them. Over 10 years, that would be (conservatively) 6 1st round pick starters, 5 2nd round starters, 3 3rd round starters. That's 14 of 22. Yeah some won't resign, or can't afford, some won't play 10 years, but roughly.
You should be able to hit 50% of 4th-7th round picks and UDFAs, as solid role players, ST players, maybe the occasional starter like Curl. Solid role players or backups like Ismael, Settle, Io, etc. So over say 10 years, you should end up with 20 total depth players from 4th - 7th and UDFA, roughly.
So you're talking 34 players on roster per decade if you draft smart, not assuming absurd drafting prowess. Say you then average 2 extra picks per year, via trading down or comp picks (Dallas will have 3-4 this year, for example), hit at 50%, 10 more players. Now you are talking 44 players per decade, and you're approaching enough talent via draft you aren't perpetually looking at huge roster holes everywhere. Even conceding many won't resign. If you have a good FO, you hit at higher rates, modestly not massively, than these and are styling

Let's look quickly last 10 years. Super fast. 1st - 3rd round picks, we've made so many bad picks, dumb trades, hurts to think about. But we have picked reasonably high lots of times so should have. We should have had 30 picks, and as noted, netted 14 long-term starters, not all elite. 2020, 2. 2019, 2. 2018, 1. 2017, 1 (Moreau NOT a starter). 2016, 1 (counting Fuller). 2015, 1. 2014, 1. 2013, 0. 2012, 0. 2011, 1. That is 10 total. 4 more players doesn't sound like a lot, but suppose we had a starting CB, starting WR, starting LB, and one other starting OL. Or maybe QB (if pros picked QB instead of Dan, imagine, no RGIII, no Haskins, plus 2 more 1st round picks, 4 1st round picks used wisely. . .) We can then fill most holes via draft, don't have to sign many FAs, then get comp picks, etc.

Everyone on this board is so afraid of drafting but wants to piss boatloads of picks away. To all the chicken littles, you HAVE to draft well. If your FO can't find talent consistently in the draft year to year, find a FO that can, period.

Yeah, with 8 or 9 picks, we should be able to walk away with one starting-caliber LT and one viable QB prospect, and if our FO can't do it, find one that can.

Of course you have to draft well. I don't think anyone is disputing that. I think it's important to note that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it's really not necessary to belittle anyone for expressing it. Like someone said already, your opinions are not reality, they are just your opinions.

Anyway, I don't see this draft as very deep in T talent. There are maybe 5 prospects that could come in and start right away at T, maybe 3 of those have a chance to be a starting LT. The rest are developmental guys who may start eventually, guys projected to be backups at best, or guys that will probably play guard or center.

If you want a starting LT, you'd better get him in the 1st round. But I'm not sure that position is the biggest need. I'd take a tier 1 QB, LB, CB, or WR (in that order) at 19 before taking a tackle, and then I would draft a couple o-linemen with the last 7 picks.

Lucas or Charles will likely be the starting LT this year, and they will be just fine. Whoever isn't the starter will probably be the swing T. Develop a guy behind them.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Even Williams is a retread.
We need to draft a young franchise LT who can protect our QB, whoever that is, the next decade. This is absolutely our single greatest long term need, outside of QB itself. What is the point of finding a franchise QB and then not having a long term QB to protect his blindside?

Wait, you want to draft a franchise QB, and then another QB to protect his blindside?

Has that ever been done before?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Wait, you want to draft a franchise QB, and then another QB to protect his blindside?

Has that ever been done before?

Lolz

[Chief X_Phackter]

They should definitely draft a couple offensive linemen. This draft isn't very deep with starting caliber O-linemen though, especially tackles.

For LT, I don't think there's a dire need there. I mean you could bring in a guy like Villanueva on a short term deal, but Lucas could definitely hold it down for another year. He only gave up one sack in 536 snaps. Also, Charles may turn out to be who they thought he was when they drafted him.

I think it's actually pretty likely that Charles and Lucas will battle it out for the starting LT position.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

They should definitely draft a couple offensive linemen. This draft isn't very deep with starting caliber O-linemen though, especially tackles.

For LT, I don't think there's a dire need there. I mean you could bring in a guy like Villanueva on a short term deal, but Lucas could definitely hold it down for another year. He only gave up one sack in 536 snaps. Also, Charles may turn out to be who they thought he was when they drafted him.

I think it's actually pretty likely that Charles and Lucas will battle it out for the starting LT position.

Lucas did a great job. But he only has 1 more year left on his deal. And he's older, so he 100% needs to cash in next offseason.

We need to get a left tackle that is locked in for at least 2 more seasons.

Give me Darrisaw at 19 and extend Lucas (if a reasonable deal).

Darrisaw/Lucas/Moses is a great rotation at T.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Lucas did a great job. But he only has 1 more year left on his deal. And he's older, so he 100% needs to cash in next offseason.

We need to get a left tackle that is locked in for at least 2 more seasons.

Give me Darrisaw at 19 and extend Lucas (if a reasonable deal).

Darrisaw/Lucas/Moses is a great rotation at T.

I would consider Darrisaw or Mayfield at 19. Man, if five QBs are gone by 19 like all these mocks indicate, that will definitely push a top 10-15 player down the board and into WFT's lap.