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[MTK]

"Progress"

Arkansas Passes Near-Total Abortion Ban As Lawmakers Push For Supreme Court Case

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

"Progress"

Arkansas Passes Near-Total Abortion Ban As Lawmakers Push For Supreme Court Case

Problem is the extremists on both sides drive the legislation and lawsuits on this issue. It is the whole loaf or nothing position which is what Arkansas is trying here.
The US allows for the most extreme abortion permissions on the planet. Most Americans want abortion to be legal but with some actual restrictions - right now states are permitted to have abortions with no restrictions if they so choose (ie Vermont, NY etc.). Arkansas should have pushed for legal abortions in the 1st trimester with strong restrictions after that. But no they pass a law that will get thrown out because they want to ban all abortions.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Problem is the extremists on both sides drive the legislation and lawsuits on this issue. It is the whole loaf or nothing position which is what Arkansas is trying here.
The US allows for the most extreme abortion permissions on the planet. Most Americans want abortion to be legal but with some actual restrictions - right now states are permitted to have abortions with no restrictions if they so choose (ie Vermont, NY etc.). Arkansas should have pushed for legal abortions in the 1st trimester with strong restrictions after that. But no they pass a law that will get thrown out because they want to ban all abortions.

Really?

I feel like your perspective is lacking because any woman who carries a baby into the second and third trimester is someone who wants the baby. Most women who get second/third trimester abortions do so because the pregnancy is unviable and the mother or baby's life is at risk.

Imagine carrying a baby for 3-6 months and then deciding nahhh, flush that shit out of me. How many women do you know of have done that?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Really?

I feel like your perspective is lacking because any woman who carries a baby into the second and third trimester is someone who wants the baby. Most women who get second/third trimester abortions do so because the pregnancy is unviable and the mother or baby's life is at risk.

Imagine carrying a baby for 3-6 months and then deciding nahhh, flush that shit out of me. How many women do you know of have done that?

Yes really, and yes it is likely most women who get a late term abortion have to for medical reasons. You said it yourself - most.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Yes really, and yes it is likely most women who get a late term abortion have to for medical reasons. You said it yourself - most.

Vermont had 1204 abortions in 2018. 20 were performed at 21 weeks or later.

I would assume that those 20 involved women who wanted to carry to birth but had to abort for medical reasons. But idk.

Abortions after 21 weeks or so is so small a percent, I dont think that abortion laws should be based on that 1% and ignoring the other 99%. .. unless you think all abortions should be illegal, then you tunnel vision on that 1% as guiding your argument

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Vermont had 1204 abortions in 2018. 20 were performed at 21 weeks or later.

I would assume that those 20 involved women who wanted to carry to birth but had to abort for medical reasons. But idk.

Abortions after 21 weeks or so is so small a percent, I dont think that abortion laws should be based on that 1% and ignoring the other 99%. .. unless you think all abortions should be illegal, then you tunnel vision on that 1% as guiding your argument

So what your are saying is that you think it should be legal to abort a healthy fetus up to the minute before it would be born? That is what it is legal to do in Vermont and some other states (note it is not legal in any European country). All 20 may have needed to get a late term abortion (Like you I don't know) I wouldn't want to stop that. I just want restrictions in place that would make it illegal to abort a late term healthy fetus that is no threat to the physical life of the mother. IMO, the argument that so few of those occur that it isn't important doesn't really hold water.

[SunnySide]

[QUOTE=nonniey;1278984I just want restrictions in place that would make it illegal to abort a late term healthy fetus that is no threat to the physical life of the mother. IMO, the argument that so few of those occur that it isn't important doesn't really hold water.[/QUOTE]

Yes, id want those same restrictions. After 22-24 weeks, it would need to be medically necessary.

1/3 of clinics cant do abortions after 20 weeks and only 16% clinics do abortions at 24 weeks.

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What I was saying is that the 1% of late term abortions, (seemingly done bc birth abnormalities) shouldnt drive the discussion that effects the other vast majority 99%.

edit - this is just my opinion, I do respect pro-lifers opinion and view point