Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

[MTK]

The thing is Spurrier didn't want much to do with the front office and acquisitions initially. He said he just wanted to coach. He admittedly didn't know much about the players in the NFL so he took a backseat to that aspect. It's not like he got bullied around. He just wasn't a knowledgeable source to be heavily involved in player acquisitions.

After all, this is a guy who brought us the likes of Matthews and Wuerffel and coined the phrase "cheap and available". Not exactly the kind of guy I'd want to turn to if I was Snyder.

[#56fanatic]

I haven't been on here in a few days so thought I would jump right in on the comparisons of the two most recent coaches. I brought this up a week or so ago, saying record wise we are no better than we were 3 years, or 4 years ago. I do believe if you gave spurrier the personel we have now, and GW as the D-coach we would be the same if not better than we are. No doubt Ramsey would be our guy throwing it around. Think about Moss, and probably Gardner, or Jacobs and what Portis would be doing. Its pretty interesting to think of the possabilities. Plus if we had a decent defense we could win alot of games. Spurrier lost alot of games by few points and giving up points on teams final drives, does that sound familiar?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I haven't been on here in a few days so thought I would jump right in on the comparisons of the two most recent coaches. I brought this up a week or so ago, saying record wise we are no better than we were 3 years, or 4 years ago. I do believe if you gave spurrier the personel we have now, and GW as the D-coach we would be the same if not better than we are. No doubt Ramsey would be our guy throwing it around. Think about Moss, and probably Gardner, or Jacobs and what Portis would be doing. Its pretty interesting to think of the possabilities. Plus if we had a decent defense we could win alot of games. Spurrier lost alot of games by few points and giving up points on teams final drives, does that sound familiar?

You make a good point here. If Portis and Williams and everyone else had been brought into Spurrier's system (not saying this would have happened, but just as an intellectual exercise) how would the team have faired last year. With that D I don't think it would be unreasonable to suggest they could have won at least 6 games, maybe more. At least we wouldn't have had a "1992" offense." I don't know though. It is obvious Spurrier didn't have the respect of the team. Anyway, interesting to think about.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

.I do believe if you gave spurrier the personel we have now, and GW as the D-coach we would be the same...

stop right there... GW is ONLY here because of gibbs, OBC/SS would have NEVER been able to land him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by That Guy

stop right there... GW is ONLY here because of gibbs, OBC/SS would have NEVER been able to land him.

OBC had Marvin Lewis who last time I checked was a heck of a D coordinator and not a bad head coach (better than GW in both areas I think). Had Lewis not left for the Cincy job, who knows how this team would have done.

Another problem OBC had was that he thought he was dealing with pros that did not need to be treated like kids and would do what the coach wanted. Unfortunately OBC found out thats not the case and in reality he was not dealing with the mature adults he thought he was. Gibbs is a much better leader of men that have to be handled like little kids.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by That Guy

stop right there... GW is ONLY here because of gibbs, OBC/SS would have NEVER been able to land him.

that is what everyone said when Danny went out and hired Marvis Lewis. No way is he going to work for a College coach, and he did.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

that is what everyone said when Danny went out and hired Marvis Lewis. No way is he going to work for a College coach, and he did.

And left after one year. Obviously Marvin Lewis wasn't interested in staying in Washington at all.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And left after one year. Obviously Marvin Lewis wasn't interested in staying in Washington at all.

He left to take the head job in Cincy. It was not about staying in Wash it was about accepting a head coach job which just about every guy coaching in the NFL wants to do.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

He left to take the head job in Cincy. It was not about staying in Wash it was about accepting a head coach job which just about every guy coaching in the NFL wants to do.

The point is, Marvin never really said that he was in it for the long haul with Spurrier. Gregg Williams probably could have easily gotten a head coaching job this year if he wanted to.... i.e Cleveland or Miami.....but Williams has said that he wants to stay here and see things through.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The thing is Spurrier didn't want much to do with the front office and acquisitions initially. He said he just wanted to coach. He admittedly didn't know much about the players in the NFL so he took a backseat to that aspect. It's not like he got bullied around. He just wasn't a knowledgeable source to be heavily involved in player acquisitions.

After all, this is a guy who brought us the likes of Matthews and Wuerffel and coined the phrase "cheap and available". Not exactly the kind of guy I'd want to turn to if I was Snyder.

But he's exactly the guy Snyder wanted to turn to. After he fired Norv, all Snyder talked about was wanting to get OBC to coach the redskins and tried everything he could to lure him away from UF but OBC did not want to leave so Snyder hired Marty. The minute OBC said he was leaving UF, Snyder dumped Marty like a bad habit and hired OBC. Thats what confused me so much about the Snyder-OBC relationship, Snyder wanted OBC more than any coach in the USA and the minute he got him seemed to not trust any decision OBC made.