Fitzmagic Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I wonder if the #1 QB position will be a true competition or will it be gifted to the higher paid QB?

I ask because Taylor Heinicke was playing pretty efficiently in Turner's system. If Heinicke is playing heads and shoulders better than Fitz, does TH get a legit shot to start game 1?

One of RR's first comments after the season was it was a mistake not to have a true qb competion. I think that he will give a reasonable attempt to push the eventual starter through competition. Also, Fitzgerald's money was not in the class of unquestioned starter, it definitely was backup qb pay.

So while I think Fitz starts IF either qb clearly steps up I won't be surprised to see him be a backup.


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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One of RR's first comments after the season was it was a mistake not to have a true qb competion. I think that he will give a reasonable attempt to push the eventual starter through competition. Also, Fitzgerald's money was not in the class of unquestioned starter, it definitely was backup qb pay.

So while I think Fitz starts IF either qb clearly steps up I won't be surprised to see him be a backup.


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I think he regrets not having a competition mainly because he knew Dwayne wasn't the guy from the jump. Circumstances are a lot different this year.

I don't think they went sniffing around pretty much every available QB this offseason to bring in a backup. And RF just said yesterday on the Ross Tucker podcast interview the main reason he came here was the opportunity to play... reading the not so subtle tea leaves on what he said he's here to start.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think he regrets not having a competition mainly because he knew Dwayne wasn't the guy from the jump. Circumstances are a lot different this year.



I don't think they went sniffing around pretty much every available QB this offseason to bring in a backup. And RF just said yesterday on the Ross Tucker podcast interview the main reason he came here was the opportunity to play... reading the not so subtle tea leaves on what he said he's here to start.

I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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I wouldn't say $10M a year is clear backup money. Dalton just got the same $$ and he's not going to Chicago to be the backup. Clear backup $$ to me is in the ballpark of $2-4M a year, basically what Heinicke is getting.

$10M a year puts them both tied for 19th highest paid in the league for QB's. Not superstar money for sure but not backup either.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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It's not really backup money. It's more like low-end starter money. He'll bank more than 13 other projected starters next year. According to Spotrac, Taysom Hill is the only non-starting QB (maybe) that is to make more than Fitz in 2021.

He is a bridge QB, but he's the starter.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

It's not really backup money. It's more like low-end starter money. He'll bank more than 13 other projected starters next year. According to Spotrac, Taysom Hill is the only non-starting QB (maybe) that is to make more than Fitz in 2021.

He is a bridge QB, but he's the starter.

When you take QB's still on rookie contracts out of that list you see he drops down to 2nd or 3rd lowest "starter" with only Cam Newton a clear starter below him. In addition, Marcus Mariotta is right below him and a clear backup at 8.8M, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton are both on the bears at 8 to 10 M one will be a starter, neither is the "clear" starter

The rest of the starters that are paid less than him are on rookie contracts, and I am positive if they came up for renewal they would be paid more than 20M if they have shown they are unquestioned starters:

QBs at 10M or less this year that are guaranteed starters (R = Rookie contract):

Baker Mayfield (R) (his backup Case Keenum is paid 6M)
Kyler Murray (R)
Josh Allen(R)
Daniel Jones(R)
Joe Burrow(R)
Tua Tag (R)
Justin Herbert(R)
Lamar Jackson(R)
Jalen Hurts (R)
Gardner Minshew(R)
Sam Darnold(R)
Denver QB (R) none are more than 2.5M don't know what they are doing
Cam Newton (5M) - maybe the only non-Rookie starter under 10M and that is because Brady left BB unhinged.

If either the rookie we draft or TH show they can be a multi-year starter, then Fitz will be a well paid backup. If they don't then he is an extremely cheap bridge qb.

Either way - I am excited about both Fitz and TH so between them and whatever rookie they sign I think we have the groundwork laid to finally get a successful QB in Washington

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

When you take QB's still on rookie contracts out of that list you see he drops down to 2nd or 3rd lowest "starter" with only Cam Newton a clear starter below him. In addition, Marcus Mariotta is right below him and a clear backup at 8.8M, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton are both on the bears at 8 to 10 M one will be a starter, neither is the "clear" starter

The rest of the starters that are paid less than him are on rookie contracts, and I am positive if they came up for renewal they would be paid more than 20M if they have shown they are unquestioned starters:

QBs at 10M or less this year that are guaranteed starters (R = Rookie contract):

Baker Mayfield (R) (his backup Case Keenum is paid 6M)
Kyler Murray (R)
Josh Allen(R)
Daniel Jones(R)
Joe Burrow(R)
Tua Tag (R)
Justin Herbert(R)
Lamar Jackson(R)
Jalen Hurts (R)
Gardner Minshew(R)
Sam Darnold(R)
Denver QB (R) none are more than 2.5M don't know what they are doing
Cam Newton (5M) - maybe the only non-Rookie starter under 10M and that is because Brady left BB unhinged.

If either the rookie we draft or TH show they can be a multi-year starter, then Fitz will be a well paid backup. If they don't then he is an extremely cheap bridge qb.

Either way - I am excited about both Fitz and TH so between them and whatever rookie they sign I think we have the groundwork laid to finally get a successful QB in Washington

Yep, that's why I said "low-end starter money". True, a lot of those guys are on rookie contracts, but I wasn't separating who was on their first, second, third, etc. contract; just where his 2021 salary ranks among the projected 2021 starters. The overwhelming majority of backups in the league make less than half what he is making.

Mariota took a pay cut to 3.5 Mil.

Either way, Fitz didn't come here to be a backup, and barring an injury he will be the starter. He has stated that he has no desire to watch football anymore, and if he isn't playing it's time to hang it up.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yep, that's why I said "low-end starter money". True, a lot of those guys are on rookie contracts, but I wasn't separating who was on their first, second, third, etc. contract; just where his 2021 salary ranks among the projected 2021 starters. The overwhelming majority of backups in the league make less than half what he is making.

Mariota took a pay cut to 3.5 Mil.

Either way, Fitz didn't come here to be a backup, and barring an injury he will be the starter. He has stated that he has no desire to watch football anymore, and if he isn't playing it's time to hang it up.

There is a HUGE difference between 1st and 2nd contract money. We all know that. He may have come because he believes he has the best shot to start here, but since he is on a one year contract RR would be doing a disservice to the franchise NOT to make the job available to the best player. That most likely will be Fitz.