Pre Draft Thread 2.0

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I like it. Here's mine:

Trade back: 40% - Of course you need a willing trade partner, but given the depth in this draft at the positions of need, I think trading back could be a great option. However, if Surtain, Farley, Darrisaw, Slater, or Parsons are there at 19, I think you have to select one of them.

LB: 25%

OT: 25%

CB: 5%

S: 5%

Surtain and Parsons for sure

I started to read up about prospects this past weekend...I have less of a clue than ever cause I didn’t watch or keep up with college ball this year. Darrisaw, the linebacker from ND and trying to name top pass rusher in draft seemed to be widest, varying opinions going into the draft.

One thing i kept reading about Darrisaw...lazy, doesn’t finish blocks,’lacks dog. That’s a big concern. Also heard he is maybe the most athletic of the olineman and can make any block.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Surtain and Parsons for sure

I started to read up about prospects this past weekend...I have less of a clue than ever cause I didn’t watch or keep up with college ball this year. Darrisaw, the linebacker from ND and trying to name top pass rusher in draft seemed to be widest, varying opinions going into the draft.

One thing i kept reading about Darrisaw...lazy, doesn’t finish blocks,’lacks dog. That’s a big concern. Also heard he is maybe the most athletic of the olineman and can make any block.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about the kid from ND, but he is probably exactly what RR would be looking for with his uber versatility.

[MTK]

@AdamSchefter
With teams locked into the first three overall picks, the Atlanta Falcons now have received trade calls from multiple teams and “are open to moving” out of the No. 4 spot, per source.

Interesting question, do you make a move to trade up for Kyle Pitts? Dude is a game changer, I'd consider it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Interesting question, do you make a move to trade up for Kyle Pitts? Dude is a game changer, I'd consider it.

That is gonna take a haul! I like him too but I don’t think u trade another first for anything but a QB.

[simbosargos75]

Originally Posted by MTK

Interesting question, do you make a move to trade up for Kyle Pitts? Dude is a game changer, I'd consider it.

I love Pitts, but if I'm moving up to 4, it's for Chase.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/2...is-draft-class

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/2...is-draft-class

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.

Good data here!

I think Scheme fit is overlooked with QB but other positions it’s more scrutinized. There a more QB friendly places: Andy Reid...rarely do you see a QB “not work”. Alex Smith had his best year of a long career with him. McNabb would have been a bust half the other places he would have landed. Mike Vick got rich again under Andy.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/2...is-draft-class

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.

Good stuff and that's why you will see 3 of these 5 QB's turn out to be backups or bust.

[skinsfaninok]

With teams locked into the first three overall picks, the Atlanta Falcons now have received trade calls from multiple teams and “are open to moving” out of the No. 4 spot, per source.

[AnonEmouse]

I don't see a reason to trade back, as we really need a difference maker on the OL or LB crew. Unless they are all gone by then (unlikely), I'd be targeting an LT or LB hard with #19. And yes, if Surtain fell to us I'd give him strong consideration, but I'm not taking him over the likes of Parsons or Darrisaw. We already have a good secondary, so I'm not sure adding a #1 CB adds as much overall as a #1 LT or LB.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Well, you only trade back if there is a willing partner, the guy you really want isn't there at 19, and you are confident you can get what you want where you are trading back to. There is very good depth at OT in this draft. Well into the second round you are likely to find a starting LT. Well into the third there are opportunities to significantly upgrade LB group too.

[AnonEmouse]

Not disagreeing per se, but you want a stud in a draft like this, not just a starter. I've said it before, ideally we find a Ray Lewis type and an Ed Reed type to give us a solid core to and already great D. For me that starts with a guy like Parsons. If he's not there another Trent like LT could anchor the OL for 10+ years (assuming we don't screw it up!). For me either scenario is way better than trading back for good but not great talent and depth.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Give me Parsons, the ND LB, Zaven Collins, Surtain, Darrisaw, or Jenkins at 19.

I'd gladly take any of them.

Devonta Smith is the wildcard if there are lots of dumb teams that pass on taking him.

[skinsfaninok]

[MTK]

lol still don't believe it but whatevs, we'll see what happens