Where is the negativity???

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Up until last year, Snyder did nothing but attempt to buy championships, and in that time, he hasn't even been able to buy a winning record. If he continues to keep his mouth shut, and let the coaches do their job, I'll be a little more accepting of him.

But what you don't understand is that Snyder actually thought he was helping the team by doing so. And really, Snyder was basically acting upon the intentions of what we hear quite often around here everytime the Redskins lose or don't play up to what we think they should be playing to - that is to get rid of the coach and put one in if we're not up to championship level or let's go out and sign big names. Snyder had to go through some major AND costly growing pains to finally see that that approach was not the best for this franchise. I believe he redeemed himself a bit on hiring Joe Gibbs back as head coach. Because of this, I believe Snyder has so much respect for Joe, that he is staying back and letting Gibbs run the team. That is probably the best thing Snyder has done since becoming owner. I realize that he's still heavily involved in the player decision making - I'm sure Jack Kent Cooke probably wanted some sense of involvement as well.

I believe if and when Joe turns this team around and gets them back into being contenders, Snyder will pull back quite a bit - at least as long as Gibbs is there or whoever takes over for Gibbs maintains this steady climb back into contention.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But what you don't understand is that Snyder actually thought he was helping the team by doing so. And really, Snyder was basically acting upon the intentions of what we hear quite often around here everytime the Redskins lose or don't play up to what we think they should be playing to - that is to get rid of the coach and put one in if we're not up to championship level or let's go out and sign big names.

Wow, looks like I touched a nerve with the Snyder comment. Is the Warpath owned by the Redskins too? I mean, I know the typical attitude of a Redskins fan is the "what have you done for me lately" mindset, but forgive me if I don't bow down to our genius owner just yet.

First of all, I don't doubt for a second that Snyder wants to win, but when his answer to the problem is to throw money at it, it makes me wonder how he was ever successful in business. He's the second generation of the Al Davis and Jerry Jones type owners, and I'm pretty sure we all have similar feelings about those guys.

Secondly, don't doubt for a second that all the crap that he does "for the fans" is for any other reason than to make more money. Wow, he didn't raise ticket prices? That would have been funny if he had, since Washington has been mediocre or worse for the last six seasons, and the only team with higher average ticket prices is the Super Bowl champion, New England Patriots. Snyder also opened up Redskins practice to the fans. Wow, that's cool. Just don't forget your $20 a head just to watch them practice.

So excuse me if I'm not the biggest Daniel Snyder fan. It'll take a little more than one "good" decision to make me forget all of the f--k ups over the last several years.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow, looks like I touched a nerve with the Snyder comment. Is the Warpath owned by the Redskins too? I mean, I know the typical attitude of a Redskins fan is the "what have you done for me lately" mindset, but forgive me if I don't bow down to our genius owner just yet.

First of all, I don't doubt for a second that Snyder wants to win, but when his answer to the problem is to throw money at it, it makes me wonder how he was ever successful in business. He's the second generation of the Al Davis and Jerry Jones type owners, and I'm pretty sure we all have similar feelings about those guys.

Secondly, don't doubt for a second that all the crap that he does "for the fans" is for any other reason than to make more money. Wow, he didn't raise ticket prices? That would have been funny if he had, since Washington has been mediocre or worse for the last six seasons, and the only team with higher average ticket prices is the Super Bowl champion, New England Patriots. Snyder also opened up Redskins practice to the fans. Wow, that's cool. Just don't forget your $20 a head just to watch them practice.

So excuse me if I'm not the biggest Daniel Snyder fan. It'll take a little more than one "good" decision to make me forget all of the f--k ups over the last several years.

I think you have misunderstood my post. I am in know way suggesting I am a Daniel Snyder fan. I think you have taken my post way out of context. My point about Daniel Snyder is, through his ignorance, he thought he was doing what needed to be done to get this team to be successful. Unfortunately, you can't buy success like maybe you can in the regular business world. NFL ownership is way different.

However, I believe he has realized the idiot mistakes he's made in the past and hiring someone like Gibbs who can not only coach, but who can be a great organizer and motivator is a step in the right direction for this franchise.

Ease up on the hostility please.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Ease up on the hostility please.

For the record, I wasn't being hostile towards you at all. If there was any hostility, it was towards the sentiment that Snyder is a good owner. Your comment just happened to be the one I qouted.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

For the record, I wasn't being hostile towards you at all. If there was any hostility, it was towards the sentiment that Snyder is a good owner. Your comment just happened to be the one I qouted.

But I have never stated Snyder is a good owner.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow, looks like I touched a nerve with the Snyder comment. Is the Warpath owned by the Redskins too? I mean, I know the typical attitude of a Redskins fan is the "what have you done for me lately" mindset, but forgive me if I don't bow down to our genius owner just yet.

First of all, I don't doubt for a second that Snyder wants to win, but when his answer to the problem is to throw money at it, it makes me wonder how he was ever successful in business. He's the second generation of the Al Davis and Jerry Jones type owners, and I'm pretty sure we all have similar feelings about those guys.

Secondly, don't doubt for a second that all the crap that he does "for the fans" is for any other reason than to make more money. Wow, he didn't raise ticket prices? That would have been funny if he had, since Washington has been mediocre or worse for the last six seasons, and the only team with higher average ticket prices is the Super Bowl champion, New England Patriots. Snyder also opened up Redskins practice to the fans. Wow, that's cool. Just don't forget your $20 a head just to watch them practice.

So excuse me if I'm not the biggest Daniel Snyder fan. It'll take a little more than one "good" decision to make me forget all of the f--k ups over the last several years.

Finally someone that is on my page. We have been mediocre since danny has taken over,never better. The fact this guy wants to win is undeniable, however the ways he is trying to achieve this is wrong. Constant turnover with coaches, players is just rediculous. Him, Vinny, and Pepper rogers are in no terms qualified to make player personel decisions. He wants to buy the biggest name, buy a championship. If you look at recent superbowl winners they are built from the ground up, not the wallet. Until we have football knowledgable people pulling the strings, we will be the same team year in and year out. And Joe is a great coach, he is not the builder of those teams that won superbowls. Casserly and bethard were the builders, joe was the coach only!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Finally someone that is on my page. We have been mediocre since danny has taken over,never better. The fact this guy wants to win is undeniable, however the ways he is trying to achieve this is wrong. Constant turnover with coaches, players is just rediculous. Him, Vinny, and Pepper rogers are in no terms qualified to make player personel decisions. He wants to buy the biggest name, buy a championship. If you look at recent superbowl winners they are built from the ground up, not the wallet. Until we have football knowledgable people pulling the strings, we will be the same team year in and year out. And Joe is a great coach, he is not the builder of those teams that won superbowls. Casserly and bethard were the builders, joe was the coach only!

My not sure who is denying this? Nobody here are Snyder apologists, I certainly am not! But, I have to disagree with Joe Gibbs not having a hand in building those championship teams in the 80's and 90's. Joe was just as much a part of constructing those teams as the GM's were.