Fresh Start Political Thread

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Idk .. importing sand oil from Canada? Do we have a need for more oil and oil sources? Seems like the only people who would benefit are the Oil Companies. If oil was some scarce needed commodity, itd be a no brainer.

We are already extracting oil out of all types of things .. and it does cause greater environmental waste. How does it help us? it creates some temporary jobs .. at the cost of the environment and having pipelines running through the countryside and potential for future leaks and issues.

End of the day .. that sand oil deposit is going to mined whether Keystone goes through or not. I just dont see any pros to it outside of temporary job creation .. at the expense of the environment. Ill side with environment over the oil industry all day.

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edit - are you saying the Oil Companies would have limited or reduced their crude oil by whatever amount of this sand oil came through the pipeline? That would certainly be something to consider but seems wishful thinking. Do you have an article for that?

Im just guessing but id guess they keep crude going as strong as they could (market allowing) then plus this sand oil. Not that sand oil would reduce crude production. Itd be your normal crude plus sand oil.

(seems most environment damage would happen in Canada where it would be mined on sight .. unless a pipe leaked in Montana or something)

You provided your own answer - "End of the day .. that sand oil deposit is going to mined whether Keystone goes through or not."

US refining is the cleanest on on Earth, but now most of this oil is going to be refined outside the US (Mostly in China). The amount that is refined inside the US will be transported on trains which are more polluting than pipelines. So at the end of day The US makes less money and has fewer jobs and more pollution is produced than would have been if the pipeline had been built. What else would you call that but virtue signaling?

[Chico23231]

Lol…as bad faith as they come which typing it I guess this hides the embarrassment of “Biden would be tougher on Russia” campaign lie. No SS the pipeline wouldn’t get done without lifting sanctions, Biden lifted those. Like I said, don’t ever cry about Russia again. Trump was tougher.

Russian owning Biden administration ala Obama part 2. Continuing Russian hacks with on infrastructure (I’m sure you stand with Biden not to do anything about the China hacks as well) and giving them a crowing energy win while weakening Ukraine and advising them not to speak out about it. That’s pretty terrible

Also, don’t whine about false climate narratives when you agree with a pipeline which goes against green energy strategies against non compliant governments.

If Trump would have allowed the pipeline completion we know what you would have said…more Russian collusion hoaxes…

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol…as bad faith as they come which typing it I guess this hides the embarrassment of “Biden would be tougher on Russia” campaign lie. No SS the pipeline wouldn’t get done without lifting sanctions, Biden lifted those. Like I said, don’t ever cry about Russia again. Trump was tougher.

Russian owning Biden administration ala Obama part 2. Continuing Russian hacks with on infrastructure (I’m sure you stand with Biden not to do anything about the China hacks as well) and giving them a crowing energy win while weakening Ukraine and advising them not to speak out about it. That’s pretty terrible

Also, don’t whine about false climate narratives when you agree with a pipeline which goes against green energy strategies against non compliant governments.

If Trump would have allowed the pipeline completion we know what you would have said…more Russian collusion hoaxes…

So fun watching you grasp for straws. And its only been 6 months. In 7 years what is it going to be? The color of his suit? Oh wait that was already a far right battle cry. Well im sure it will be something either petty or twisted like your pipeline dilemma.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So fun watching you grasp for straws. And its only been 6 months. In 7 years what is it going to be? The color of his suit? Oh wait that was already a far right battle cry. Well im sure it will be something either petty or twisted like your pipeline dilemma.

Honest question, what’s Biden mental state in 7 years?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Honest question, what’s Biden mental state in 7 years?

Honest answer…an improvement on our last presidents and its not even close. Thats such a right wing straw grasping point. All the idiotic things that came out of Trumps mouth, and because Joe is gray (he too could die his hair and get a spray tan I suppose) and not the most eloquent speaker he is somehow mentally challenged? Come on Chico. Any psychiatrist in the world will tell you Trump isn’t playing with a full deck but that didn’t/doesn’t matter? Joe slurs his words and he is incapable of running the country? Let them both take psych evaluations. My money is on Joe.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...fessor-1467425

Actually read the article, it is one of millions, and tell me you do not see it? He thinks like a child. It is /was not only embarrassing but dangerous.

[SunnySide]

Total project was 1,230 kilometers of underwater pipeline.

As of June 3, they had 100 kilometers left to build.

87.7% complete when Biden lifted sanctions.

Seems like the pipeline was going to be a reality whether we kept sanctions or not.

Anyways ... (by the way .. the russia hacking group wiped itself after Bidens phone call to Putin ...plus I think we hacked their power grid as a tit for tat)

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ss-2021-06-03/

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/fact...-splits-europe

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Total project was 1,230 kilometers of underwater pipeline.

As of June 3, they had 100 kilometers left to build.

87.7% complete when Biden lifted sanctions.

Seems like the pipeline was going to be a reality whether we kept sanctions or not.

Anyways ... (by the way .. the russia hacking group wiped itself after Bidens phone call to Putin ...plus I think we hacked their power grid as a tit for tat)

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ss-2021-06-03/

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/fact...-splits-europe

Your right Biden lift sanctions to give a Russia major energy win while past administrations refused

You really have no footing with tough on Russia nor green energy narratives. These are both big Ls to those.

[punch it in]

How bout we talk more about the 179th person Trump surrounded himself with who is going to jail? I know. I know. Pure coincidence.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How bout we talk more about the 179th person Trump surrounded himself with who is going to jail? I know. I know. Pure coincidence.

LOL, you know chico will ignore. It's what he does .

[BaltimoreSkins]

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/...heather_bresch

Here is my take on this for my conservative brothers here. I know you don't think dems get shit on enough here. I am pretty much hate all corporate politicians. Here we have a pharmaceutical plant in the U.S. employing 1,400 workers and paying them really ($31/hr vs an average of $17/hr). This should be pretty upsetting regardless of political affiliation. So why are national democrats being quiet on this? Well Joe Manchin is a moderate democrat in a state that has transitioned blue the last few decades. They can't lose that precarious seat in an already tight senate margin for votes so they are going to just let these people lose their jobs instead of doing the right thing.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/...heather_bresch

Here is my take on this for my conservative brothers here. I know you don't think dems get shit on enough here. I am pretty much hate all corporate politicians. Here we have a pharmaceutical plant in the U.S. employing 1,400 workers and paying them really ($31/hr vs an average of $17/hr). This should be pretty upsetting regardless of political affiliation. So why are national democrats being quiet on this? Well Joe Manchin is a moderate democrat in a state that has transitioned blue the last few decades. They can't lose that precarious seat in an already tight senate margin for votes so they are going to just let these people lose their jobs instead of doing the right thing.

This really and truly sucks.

Also good mention in that article - Joe Manchin's daughter was CEO of the old company when they raised the price of the Epipen 400%. "Nobody is more frustrated than I." LOL

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/...heather_bresch

Here is my take on this for my conservative brothers here. I know you don't think dems get shit on enough here. I am pretty much hate all corporate politicians. Here we have a pharmaceutical plant in the U.S. employing 1,400 workers and paying them really ($31/hr vs an average of $17/hr). This should be pretty upsetting regardless of political affiliation. So why are national democrats being quiet on this? Well Joe Manchin is a moderate democrat in a state that has transitioned blue the last few decades. They can't lose that precarious seat in an already tight senate margin for votes so they are going to just let these people lose their jobs instead of doing the right thing.

Life is good as a politician or the family member of a politician.

No shame and no morals amongst a good lot of them. They must all be laughing at us peons.

And this world is full of greedy assholes.

For the shareholders = Fuck American workers

Will they drop all their prices now that they'll save on labor? I bet not.

I don't know what you do to stop these moves though?

As much as big businesses can be soulless penny chasers, the rules they play by are set up by our politicians. The whole system is against us commoners.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/...heather_bresch

Here is my take on this for my conservative brothers here. I know you don't think dems get shit on enough here. I am pretty much hate all corporate politicians. Here we have a pharmaceutical plant in the U.S. employing 1,400 workers and paying them really ($31/hr vs an average of $17/hr). This should be pretty upsetting regardless of political affiliation. So why are national democrats being quiet on this? Well Joe Manchin is a moderate democrat in a state that has transitioned blue the last few decades. They can't lose that precarious seat in an already tight senate margin for votes so they are going to just let these people lose their jobs instead of doing the right thing.

So obviously this is a bad look. But when it comes to Manchin, he is a dying breed in West Virginy which used to be all blue state…not anymore. Kasie Hunt…who opinions I generally loathe being she is a well paid liar…put it best once “Joe Manchin when it comes to West Virginia is the only game in town.” In reference for Democrats and his unwillingness to bend to progressives. He cannot be primary and his voters will not stand by him if he veers left. His margins have been steadily shrinking in races.

Democrats have no choice with Manchin on the federal scene or the state scene…there is no other Democrats there.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/...heather_bresch

Here is my take on this for my conservative brothers here. I know you don't think dems get shit on enough here. I am pretty much hate all corporate politicians. Here we have a pharmaceutical plant in the U.S. employing 1,400 workers and paying them really ($31/hr vs an average of $17/hr). This should be pretty upsetting regardless of political affiliation. So why are national democrats being quiet on this? Well Joe Manchin is a moderate democrat in a state that has transitioned blue the last few decades. They can't lose that precarious seat in an already tight senate margin for votes so they are going to just let these people lose their jobs instead of doing the right thing.

Why weren't republican's outraged when the trump tariffs were hurting American farmers ? .My question to you is how do you stop this company from closing down and moving , tax incentives, it's West Virginia not likely . Another question is why aren't republicans screaming from the roof tops about how much money his daughter is making instead of Biden Hunter paintings?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why weren't republican's outraged when the trump tariffs were hurting American farmers ? .My question to you is how do you stop this company from closing down and moving , tax incentives, it's West Virginia not likely . Another question is why aren't republicans screaming from the roof tops about how much money his daughter is making instead of Biden Hunter paintings?

The Biden admin stepped in to prevent a very similar plant in TN from moving difference is in a potential district to swing. Look you want me to defend Republican response to this it is not going to happen but democrats have routinely ran as the party of morality and standing up to corporations. I will call myself a democrat since Bernie brought me back into the fold but we can't be a party that says one thing and does another and be okay with it.