Pre Draft Thread 2.0

[skinsfaninok]

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-cas...-qb-trey-lance

Trade with the Vikings

Washington trades up to get its quarterback of the future. With Ryan Fitzpatrick already in place, Lance could be used in Year 1 in packages that take advantage of his running ability.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-cas...-qb-trey-lance

Trade with the Vikings

Washington trades up to get its quarterback of the future. With Ryan Fitzpatrick already in place, Lance could be used in Year 1 in packages that take advantage of his running ability.

Here's the link if people want to copy and paste it to avoid the redirect.

www.nfl.com /news/charley-casserly-2021-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-washington-trades-up-for-qb-trey-lance

Also, I gotta think NE goes with Fields in this mock draft.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-cas...-qb-trey-lance

Trade with the Vikings

Washington trades up to get its quarterback of the future. With Ryan Fitzpatrick already in place, Lance could be used in Year 1 in packages that take advantage of his running ability.

Yeah, that's why you trade the farm for a QB, to turn him into a RB, so you can get him pummeled, worn down prematurely, and possibly have him get a serious injury that permanently derails his development. Who thinks this drivel up, LOL?

You invest all that in a QB, protect him, LOL. You find a franchise QB, maximize his playing life, and that doesn't happen having him emulate Jerome Bettis. We have plenty of guys that can run and catch, we need a guy that can THROW. All this absurdity with running QBs. We need a pocket passer that runs sparingly, Lance can be that, he has a f-ing cannon. The X factor is can he read an NFL D? Shades of RGIII, Haskins, etc. Where have I seen this movie before, LOL?

You could make an argument to trade up for Lance, he has ELITE arm strength though is frighteningly raw, but you draft him to be your long-term QB, not a gadget RB. I think lots of other teams will be thinking same thing and price will be prohibitive. If we can trade Collins, Scherff, and a 3rd I'd do it though, LOL.

I see naked desperation in moves like that of SF, and this one, that are exactly what we always used to do. Our FO got it right at least in small part, be patient, don't mortgage future ridiculously.

What we should be doing is starting Heinecke, have never signed Fitz, have traded Scherff even if just for a 3rd, have rolled $28M of cap space spent on Scherff Fitz over to next year so we can lock up ALL our young talent and add 2 more studs-in-prime like we did this year next year in FA, and then draft 1-2 QBs this year. Open competition at QB and find out if we have anything on roster with long-term franchise potential. Next year we'll have at best won a playoff game but not SB with Fitz, and have no idea if Heinecke or anyone else on roster is answer because Fitz got all the reps. Even with a good draft we are simply nowhere near as talented as legit SB contenders, who also have true franchise QBs, and we have a 38 year old scrub QB who has never won anything. That is truth. We got the single most important decision of offseason wrong, sacrificing short-term for long in QB.

Additionally, if no LT there, I would trade down this year in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round, every time I can, ideally for next year draft picks.

If we started Heinecke this year and he sucked, or a rookie, we know he isn't answer. That is far more valuable long-term than one year of non-SB winning production from a career journeyman scrub in Fitz. Moreover, if whoever we started sucked, we'd have a higher pick, say 6-15, and be in much better position for a QB, especially with extra picks next year. Lot of permutations and ifs and buts and candy and nuts, but a head coach is always going to be thinking of winning year to year, their long term record (not sucking any one season), staying employed, HOF potential, etc. They are, given GM powers, almost always going to make dumb decisions like signing Fitz. That is why you usually need a GM higher than coach in organization. THE DAN made that impossible, RR never takes job otherwise, he wouldn't have trusted THE DAN.

Let's suppose we draft Lance, he's raw, but wouldn't you want to get him reps as soon as possible and develop him? Get production on rookie deal before he gets $40M a year? Make sure he is the guy? That's not happening with Fitz on roster.

Not all doom and gloom. There could be a QB outside of top-5 we like and are just being very quiet about. I hope so.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Yeah, that's why you trade the farm for a QB, to turn him into a RB, so you can get him pummeled, worn down prematurely, and possibly have him get a serious injury that permanently derails his development. Who thinks this drivel up, LOL?

You invest all that in a QB, protect him, LOL. You find a franchise QB, maximize his playing life, and that doesn't happen having him emulate Jerome Bettis. We have plenty of guys that can run and catch, we need a guy that can THROW. All this absurdity with running QBs. We need a pocket passer that runs sparingly, Lance can be that, he has a f-ing cannon. The X factor is can he read an NFL D? Shades of RGIII, Haskins, etc. Where have I seen this movie before, LOL?

You could make an argument to trade up for Lance, he has ELITE arm strength though is frighteningly raw, but you draft him to be your long-term QB, not a gadget RB. I think lots of other teams will be thinking same thing and price will be prohibitive. If we can trade Collins, Scherff, and a 3rd I'd do it though, LOL.

I see naked desperation in moves like that of SF, and this one, that are exactly what we always used to do. Our FO got it right at least in small part, be patient, don't mortgage future ridiculously.

What we should be doing is starting Heinecke, have never signed Fitz, have traded Scherff even if just for a 3rd, have rolled $28M of cap space spent on Scherff Fitz over to next year so we can lock up ALL our young talent and add 2 more studs-in-prime like we did this year next year in FA, and then draft 1-2 QBs this year. Open competition at QB and find out if we have anything on roster with long-term franchise potential. Next year we'll have at best won a playoff game but not SB with Fitz, and have no idea if Heinecke or anyone else on roster is answer because Fitz got all the reps. Even with a good draft we are simply nowhere near as talented as legit SB contenders, who also have true franchise QBs, and we have a 38 year old scrub QB who has never won anything. That is truth. We got the single most important decision of offseason wrong, sacrificing short-term for long in QB.

Additionally, if no LT there, I would trade down this year in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round, every time I can, ideally for next year draft picks.

If we started Heinecke this year and he sucked, or a rookie, we know he isn't answer. That is far more valuable long-term than one year of non-SB winning production from a career journeyman scrub in Fitz. Moreover, if whoever we started sucked, we'd have a higher pick, say 6-15, and be in much better position for a QB, especially with extra picks next year. Lot of permutations and ifs and buts and candy and nuts, but a head coach is always going to be thinking of winning year to year, their long term record (not sucking any one season), staying employed, HOF potential, etc. They are, given GM powers, almost always going to make dumb decisions like signing Fitz. That is why you usually need a GM higher than coach in organization. THE DAN made that impossible, RR never takes job otherwise, he wouldn't have trusted THE DAN.

Let's suppose we draft Lance, he's raw, but wouldn't you want to get him reps as soon as possible and develop him? Get production on rookie deal before he gets $40M a year? Make sure he is the guy? That's not happening with Fitz on roster.

Not all doom and gloom. There could be a QB outside of top-5 we like and are just being very quiet about. I hope so.

If they have someone still with a first round grade when they pick I think you have to take them. If not definitely trade back and maximize. On the flip side I see the Ravens get raked through the coals for their handling of their own talent in order to maximize picks. They will let a known talent walk and accrue comp picks and while yes they have been successful they really haven't had a deep playoff run in over a decade.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If they have someone still with a first round grade when they pick I think you have to take them. If not definitely trade back and maximize. On the flip side I see the Ravens get raked through the coals for their handling of their own talent in order to maximize picks. They will let a known talent walk and accrue comp picks and while yes they have been successful they really haven't had a deep playoff run in over a decade.

First round grade is a wide range. It is about value. If there is someone with top-12 grade, and your FO can grade properly, then yes. Do we pick someone ranked 31 at 19? No.

They invested in a running QB who is not an actual throwing QB. Ravens. You can get everything else right and still never win it big if you botch QB. But Ravens have been good team for years. And they are but one example. Ravens have certain valuations on what certain players are worth, and don't pay them more than that value. So do Pats, or did during dynasty. You think Ravens would have franchised Scherff? Never.

The Ravens draft well enough that they can NEVER afford to keep all their talent, which is the point you are missing. EVERY year they have talented players they cannot afford to keep, and most every year they get comp picks, which they then use wisely to draft more talent. . . If you are always trading up, never trading back, always signing tons of FAs, you never get to this point. With a good FO, having 2-4 more picks per year means you will be better than other teams over long term. This is again a case study in why you don't let a coach be GM, they'll almost never take this long term view because their contract is up before the benefits of this strategic long-term approach accrues. Even great guys like RR succumb to this.

The other thing is that you almost always overpay in FA, bulk of team should be guys you draft and resign.

You'll know we are finally being run properly when we are letting a guy like Scherff or Allen or Kerrigan walk every year. . .