With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the offense will be capable of winning games this year.



If they had scored one more TD, or two more FGs per game last season, they would have been a top 10 scoring offense, and the O-line was ranked #6. As is, with the additions already made this offseason, and Gibson healthy, they will be much harder to defend. No statue at QB, and a true threat opposite McLaurin. Imagine having a top 10 scoring offense, coupled with an even better defense. This team will do some damage.



I just don't think that the LT available at 19 will have as big an impact this year as the best defender (LB or FS) that is there.



They do need to address the O-line this year and next year, I'm just not sure it needs to be in the first round of 2021.

I think the offense will be improved no doubt. Im not buying the, we were a couple fg’s away from being a top ten offense though because the Defense literally put us in great field position all season. As good as our defense was, or is, that is a huge ask. At some point the Offense has to move the chains consistently not just to score but to give the defense a rest. The offense I watched last year was filthy bad and yes we have upgraded a couple spots, Gibson is healthy, and Fitz and Heineken > Crapkins and an immobile AS, but I think the o line played way above their heads last year, and I don’t believe they can sustain that level of play without a new LT. Plus if Fitz gets hurt early because he doesn’t have proper protection do you really feel great putting Heineken and his injury history behind that same line?
There are two different scenarios at play here with pick 19. We help what we saw on the offensive side last year or the defensive side. My memory says help the offense.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think the offense will be improved no doubt. Im not buying the, we were a couple fg’s away from being a top ten offense though because the Defense literally put us in great field position all season. As good as our defense was, or is, that is a huge ask. At some point the Offense has to move the chains consistently not just to score but to give the defense a rest. The offense I watched last year was filthy bad and yes we have upgraded a couple spots, Gibson is healthy, and Fitz and Heineken > Crapkins and an immobile AS, but I think the o line played way above their heads last year, and I don’t believe they can sustain that level of play without a new LT. Plus if Fitz gets hurt early because he doesn’t have proper protection do you really feel great putting Heineken and his injury history behind that same line?
There are two different scenarios at play here with pick 19. We help what we saw on the offensive side last year or the defensive side. My memory says help the offense.

You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.

Dustin Hopkins' misses last year gets you 6 more points per game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Dustin Hopkins' misses last year gets you 6 more points per game.

Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.

I am just saying that the additions of Fitzpatrick and Curtis Samuel, along with whatever they do in the draft, will likely make the offense better, and produce more points per game.

I never said this team was close to being the highest scoring team in the league, but yes they can improve on where they were and get into the top 10 with the additions they have made and an even better defense that has the ability to score, or at the very least, flip the field.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I am just saying that the additions of Fitzpatrick and Curtis Samuel, along with whatever they do in the draft, will likely make the offense better, and produce more points per game.



I never said this team was close to being the highest scoring team in the league, but yes they can improve on where they were and get into the top 10 with the additions they have made and an even better defense that has the ability to score, or at the very least, flip the field.

Completely agree the offense will be better. It cannot be worse. I will be absolutely shocked, and elated, if they are a top ten offense though. Especially if they go Defense with the 19th pick.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.

Ten points a game, in an average, is a TON. You are totally correct. Did anyone here ever take a statistics course, not dumbed down one, but a real one? The more samples in a mean, the harder it becomes to move the mean. Stats are not misleading, idiots misinterpreting them are.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.

Pass the Kool-Aid, LOL. Previous poster was correct, offense was horrid. We don't have a single elite player on O. We have nothing at QB with any long term potential outside of Hein. Just adding six points to a per game average is not easy with nothing at QB and not a single elite player except RG.

The o-line needs to be addressed for salary cap reasons. We have one lineman who is anything but above average at best, who can't stay healthy, isn't under contract long term. Both Ts free agents after next year, are above 30 then, and are average at best. We can't hand them new deals and keep DL intact. We got owned by teams with better DLs all year long, which is a HUGE reason we only beat one winning team.

You draft BPA, you don't pigeonhole need. Our O was ATROCIOUS, but you can't fix everything in one year. It starts with QB, which we botched already.
We should be improved, but at some point you need elite players on O, especially at LT, QB.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Pass the Kool-Aid, LOL. Previous poster was correct, offense was horrid. We don't have a single elite player on O. We have nothing at QB with any long term potential outside of Hein. Just adding six points to a per game average is not easy with nothing at QB and not a single elite player except RG.

The o-line needs to be addressed for salary cap reasons. We have one lineman who is anything but above average at best, who can't stay healthy, isn't under contract long term. Both Ts free agents after next year, are above 30 then, and are average at best. We can't hand them new deals and keep DL intact. We got owned by teams with better DLs all year long, which is a HUGE reason we only beat one winning team.

You draft BPA, you don't pigeonhole need. Our O was ATROCIOUS, but you can't fix everything in one year. It starts with QB, which we botched already.
We should be improved, but at some point you need elite players on O, especially at LT, QB.

The offense was "horrid" for two reasons:

1. No QB.
2. No threat opposite McLaurin.

Both have been addressed, and I am sure they are not done.

As has been said already and exhaustively, there won't be any "elite" LTs on the board at 19.

IMO, for both the long term and short term, the best and most impactful pick would be a LB or the FS, if they don't trade it. And Moehrig is projected to be a true game-changing FS.