Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Id vote to just lock this thread up.

This is turning into brother on brother. I love reading Chiefs football thoughts and hopefully we are still cool.

Agreed. I think all that can be said has been said.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Id vote to just lock this thread up.

This is turning into brother on brother. I love reading Chiefs football thoughts and hopefully we are still cool.

We're cool man. I have no ill will for you or anyone else. We disagree on some things, and that's ok. The main message I have tried to convey is that, despite having strong opinions one way or another, I don't think it is helpful (or warranted) to shame, name-call, or ostracize individuals who make different or even unpopular decisions for their own, or their family's well-being - no matter which side of the vaccine argument you are on.

It's tough times everywhere you look these days. I'm not sure how we will collectively pull ourselves out of this overwhelmingly divisive era we have found ourselves in. I just try my best to not be a part of the problem(s).

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

We're cool man. I have no ill will for you or anyone else. We disagree on some things, and that's ok. The main message I have tried to convey is that, despite having strong opinions one way or another, I don't think it is helpful (or warranted) to shame, name-call, or ostracize individuals who make different or even unpopular decisions for their own, or their family's well-being - no matter which side of the vaccine argument you are on.

It's tough times everywhere you look these days. I'm not sure how we will collectively pull ourselves out of this overwhelmingly divisive era we have found ourselves in. I just try my best to not be a part of the problem(s).

Sound post, Chief.

[mooby]

Before it gets locked, I'd just like to say it seems to be a matter of risk. People who wear masks in public settings or get the vaccine think the risk of COVID hurting them or someone they care about is high and are willing to take the risk of getting the shot/s to lower the risk of death or disability from COVID. People who think the risk of serious repercussions from COVID are low don't follow protocols and generally don't mind the risk of getting COVID or spreading it elsewhere.

Also Buster, how you gonna come in here tal'm bout real scientific facts from a HVAC engineer and then link us to some Pelosi nonsense nobody wants to watch? If you got the hard truths we need to accept back it up.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Before it gets locked, I'd just like to say it seems to be a matter of risk. People who wear masks in public settings or get the vaccine think the risk of COVID hurting them or someone they care about is high and are willing to take the risk of getting the shot/s to lower the risk of death or disability from COVID. People who think the risk of serious repercussions from COVID are low don't follow protocols and generally don't mind the risk of getting COVID or spreading it elsewhere.

Also Buster, how you gonna come in here tal'm bout real scientific facts from a HVAC engineer and then link us to some Pelosi nonsense nobody wants to watch? If you got the hard truths we need to accept back it up.

I've spoke to several people and heard quite a few stories, and vaccinated and non-vaccinated people are out in public not wearing masks. As you know, it's confirmed that vaccinated can also contract and spread the virus.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I've spoke to several people and heard quite a few stories, and vaccinated and non-vaccinated people are out in public not wearing masks. As you know, it's confirmed that vaccinated can also contract and spread the virus.

Pork, and anyone else who hasn’t been vaccinated: You should expect to get this Delta variant. I respect and agree you should have choice and it should always be a choice but the data shows the greatest strength is it’s ability to be spread. The data shows also if your are vaccinated, you have protection against it and if you happen to get it (rare) it will keep you out of the hospital.

But the unvaccinated should expect to get the delta variant, I wouldn’t have said that with the previous covid virus and prior strains.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Pork, and anyone else who hasn’t been vaccinated: You should expect to get this Delta variant. I respect and agree you should have choice and it should always be a choice but the data shows the greatest strength is it’s ability to be spread. The data shows also if your are vaccinated, you have protection against it and if you happen to get it (rare) it will keep you out of the hospital.

But the unvaccinated should expect to get the delta variant, I wouldn’t have said that with the previous covid virus and prior strains.

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

Trying my hardest to stay out of the COVID discussion, but this is untrue:

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

Vaccinated people ARE more vulnerable than previous strains, but there is ample evidence that has come out from numerous sources in the past few days that while protection is lower, you're still much less likely to get it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

In bold, I don’t think you realize how ABSOLUTELY ridiculous this statement is when referring to media and my opinions on the media.

And the vaccinated are absolutely more protected against the delta…there is no argument against that. Simply look at infection rates and who is in the hospital and deaths with covid confirmed with delta. Overwhelming the unvaccinated.

I also strongly believe I shouldn’t be made to wear a mask if vaccinated. The data for that hasn’t been provided…and the vaccine works.

Bro…understand I want you to be safe and I’m not going to ridicule you if you’re not vaccinated, that’s your choice.

But the delta is extremely contagious…it’s very likely unvaccinated will get it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

This interaction is the highest form of comedy I have ever seen on these boards.

It's gold Jerry! Gold!

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Pork, and anyone else who hasn’t been vaccinated: You should expect to get this Delta variant. I respect and agree you should have choice and it should always be a choice but the data shows the greatest strength is it’s ability to be spread. The data shows also if your are vaccinated, you have protection against it and if you happen to get it (rare) it will keep you out of the hospital.

But the unvaccinated should expect to get the delta variant, I wouldn’t have said that with the previous covid virus and prior strains.

Simple truth!
Players know this by now.
If they fuck up, they fuck up.

It's almost football season, let's kill this topic already!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by jamf

Simple truth!
Players know this by now.
If they fuck up, they fuck up.

It's almost football season, let's kill this topic already!

First we gotta kill the virus but the misinformation folks are makin that damn near impossible.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Before it gets locked, I'd just like to say it seems to be a matter of risk. People who wear masks in public settings or get the vaccine think the risk of COVID hurting them or someone they care about is high and are willing to take the risk of getting the shot/s to lower the risk of death or disability from COVID. People who think the risk of serious repercussions from COVID are low don't follow protocols and generally don't mind the risk of getting COVID or spreading it elsewhere.

Also Buster, how you gonna come in here tal'm bout real scientific facts from a HVAC engineer and then link us to some Pelosi nonsense nobody wants to watch? If you got the hard truths we need to accept back it up.

I do agree that ultimately people are making decisions based on their own risk assessment. Some are getting the vaccine because the risks associated with contracting the disease significantly outweigh the risks of any side effects from the vaccine. While others think the opposite - the risks of side effects, or unknown future/long term effects from the vaccine outweigh the risks associated with contracting the disease.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I do agree that ultimately people are making decisions based on their own risk assessment. Some are getting the vaccine because the risks associated with contracting the disease significantly outweigh the risks of any side effects from the vaccine. While others think the opposite - the risks of side effects, or unknown future/long term effects from the vaccine outweigh the risks associated with contracting the disease.

This was my reason for getting the vaccine. The longitudinal effects of the virus are also unknown. Most bugs that are health issues but not acutely fatal have significant long term consequences. To me the science is a no brainer, in the history of viruses the cures are not worse than the diseases. If I am going to have longitudinal effects it will be from something we will been mastering over a hundred years and not a bug in an evolutionary battle in my body. I get hesitancy especially the way it roled out, people choosing anecdotal stories as evidence (it is akin to a fear of flying because of a few bad flights or even knowing someone that died in a plane crash). If people need time that is cool I just hope they make sure they protect others by taking precautions as necessary.

In regards to the thread topic. Lamar Jackson second positive exposure. He was battling side effects for a few months well after contracting it first time.

With WFT I hope players do take precautions around Ron. He might be the best thing to happen to the franchise in a long time in terms of lasting impacts on culture and success. I'd hate for him to feel the juice isn't worth the squeeze and resign.

NFL policy have a zero problems with it (not a fan of the public sector policies). Players have a union they pay reps and if a contract is agreed upon that is your choice to agree to the contract or not play. Anecdotally that happened to my sister in law. She works for a Methodist church they said to keep your job you have to be vaccinated. Told her find a new job but that is where her heart is so she got it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Before it gets locked, I'd just like to say it seems to be a matter of risk. People who wear masks in public settings or get the vaccine think the risk of COVID hurting them or someone they care about is high and are willing to take the risk of getting the shot/s to lower the risk of death or disability from COVID. People who think the risk of serious repercussions from COVID are low don't follow protocols and generally don't mind the risk of getting COVID or spreading it elsewhere.

Also Buster, how you gonna come in here tal'm bout real scientific facts from a HVAC engineer and then link us to some Pelosi nonsense nobody wants to watch? If you got the hard truths we need to accept back it up.

Never take medical advice from a HVAC guy. Personally I go with my plumber for sound medical advice. He knows his shit.