Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Pork, and anyone else who hasn’t been vaccinated: You should expect to get this Delta variant. I respect and agree you should have choice and it should always be a choice but the data shows the greatest strength is it’s ability to be spread. The data shows also if your are vaccinated, you have protection against it and if you happen to get it (rare) it will keep you out of the hospital.

But the unvaccinated should expect to get the delta variant, I wouldn’t have said that with the previous covid virus and prior strains.

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

Trying my hardest to stay out of the COVID discussion, but this is untrue:

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

Vaccinated people ARE more vulnerable than previous strains, but there is ample evidence that has come out from numerous sources in the past few days that while protection is lower, you're still much less likely to get it.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Trying my hardest to stay out of the COVID discussion, but this is untrue:

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

Vaccinated people ARE more vulnerable than previous strains, but there is ample evidence that has come out from numerous sources in the past few days that while protection is lower, you're still much less likely to get it.

Do more research if you think the quote you bolded is false. Vaccinated people has just as much of a risk of contracting the variant than the unvaccinated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/

There's other reports of what I've stated. There's also counties in the Bay area of California, which has a highest numbers of vaccination, but also some of the highest new case rates. I'm having trouble with the link, but I'll post it when I get a chance.

[SmittyD58]

One important fact that we do not hear enough about anywhere is that those of us who have previously had COVID now have natural immunity, as a result. The science tells us that this group does not need the vaccine. Vaccines are/were meant to replicate the effect of the actual infection as to creating antibodies and immunity.


I wonder how many unvaccinated players have already had COVID? This statistic should also be tracked and considered.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmittyD58

One important fact that we do not hear enough about anywhere is that those of us who have previously had COVID now have natural immunity, as a result. The science tells us that this group does not need the vaccine. Vaccines are/were meant to replicate the effect of the actual infection as to creating antibodies and immunity.


I wonder how many unvaccinated players have already had COVID? This statistic should also be tracked and considered.

Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.

Prior exposure and immunity depends on the person based on reports I've read. There's people who may have an immunity for several days where others could have it for decades.

Ioan Man and Jackson may not have any symptoms or little at all, but carriers. Remind you, there are people who has had it prior to vaccination and has been reinfected months later (after vaccination).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.

My sister got COVID and she still had to get the vaccine. She had to wait two months after getting COVID, but they told her that she needed it regardless. I'm thankful she was able to pull through, but had a miserable time while she had it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

Do more research if you think the quote you bolded is false. Vaccinated people has just as much of a risk of contracting the variant than the unvaccinated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/

There's other reports of what I've stated. There's also counties in the Bay area of California, which has a highest numbers of vaccination, but also some of the highest new case rates. I'm having trouble with the link, but I'll post it when I get a chance.

I read that article and stand by my statement. You said you are at the same or higher risk of CONTRACTING the virus if you are fully vaccinated. Nowhere in that article does it state that. It DOES say that you can equally SPREAD it (not catch it) and I do agree with that.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

Do more research if you think the quote you bolded is false. Vaccinated people has just as much of a risk of contracting the variant than the unvaccinated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/

There's other reports of what I've stated. There's also counties in the Bay area of California, which has a highest numbers of vaccination, but also some of the highest new case rates. I'm having trouble with the link, but I'll post it when I get a chance.

Of course the NYT headline this morning as well as this Wa Post article is about as misleading and trash as ever. Cdc says it will make public the so called research today…which is convenient for a Friday news dump.

Another great example of terrible messaging by the administration pushed by “so called credibile” news org.

Does everyone see how this works? And why we have this predicament? JFC. This feeds the doubts about the vaccine

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Of course the NYT headline this morning as well as this Wa Post article is about as misleading and trash as ever. Cdc says it will make public the so called research today…which is convenient for a Friday news dump.

Another great example of terrible messaging by the administration pushed by “so called credibile” news org.

Does everyone see how this works? And why we have this predicament? JFC. This feeds the doubts about the vaccine

Both papers are using reports via CDC. Nevertheless, we obviously are on different fronts, so let's move on.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Of course the NYT headline this morning as well as this Wa Post article is about as misleading and trash as ever. Cdc says it will make public the so called research today…which is convenient for a Friday news dump.

Another great example of terrible messaging by the administration pushed by “so called credibile” news org.

Does everyone see how this works? And why we have this predicament? JFC. This feeds the doubts about the vaccine

I've gone back and read both the NYT and the WaPo articles. What exactly is misleading or non-credible about either of these articles?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Coff

I've gone back and read both the NYT and the WaPo articles. What exactly is misleading or non-credible about either of these articles?

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

So the Post and the Times were transparently reporting information from the CDC. What ledes are being buried? Again, how are either articles being misleading? They are both clearly and transparently reporting CDC reports and internal discussions. The headlines are consistent with the information in the article.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare, compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

If you’re confusing the ease of being infected with the ease of spreading the disease, that’s not the Times or the Post’s fault. By this time people ought to know and understand the difference. The articles are both clear that individuals who are vaccinated are less likely to contract the Delta variant, and that infected individuals spread the Delta virus at the same rate regardless of vaccination status.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media.

In bold, I don’t think you realize how ABSOLUTELY ridiculous this statement is when referring to media and my opinions on the media.

And the vaccinated are absolutely more protected against the delta…there is no argument against that. Simply look at infection rates and who is in the hospital and deaths with covid confirmed with delta. Overwhelming the unvaccinated.

I also strongly believe I shouldn’t be made to wear a mask if vaccinated. The data for that hasn’t been provided…and the vaccine works.

Bro…understand I want you to be safe and I’m not going to ridicule you if you’re not vaccinated, that’s your choice.

But the delta is extremely contagious…it’s very likely unvaccinated will get it.