All things Middle East related

[Chico23231]

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

Yet you supported it when trump said he would do it .

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?

Here is the border illegal crossing numbers from the most liberal news rag:

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/10272...ts-complicated

Just look at the numbers…historic, record. And guest what? Minors are being housed in cages. Period.

Those are the facts.
Here is another fact:

Biden has been wrong on almost every U.S. foreign policy and national security issue of the last 40 years (not my words, ask the ex U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates).

Afghanistan is a disaster right now…that’s a fact. We could be facing another Middle East genocide ala ISIS which happened on Obama watch. Obama was responsible for that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Here is the border illegal crossing numbers from the most liberal news rag:

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/10272...ts-complicated

Just look at the numbers…historic, record. And guest what? Minors are being housed in cages. Period.

Those are the facts.
Here is another fact:

Biden has been wrong on almost every U.S. foreign policy and national security issue of the last 40 years (not my words, ask the ex U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates).

Afghanistan is a disaster right now…that’s a fact. We could be facing another Middle East genocide ala ISIS which happened on Obama watch. Obama was responsible for that.

Remember when Trump had our allies, the Kurds , slaughtered on the battlefield and you talked about the Mets?

Remember when he pissed off every ally we had in the world, or when he cozied up to every dictator, and you talked about the weather?

Remember when he kept lying about defeating and wiping out ISIS by tweeting he wiped out ISIS and you wanted to give him the nobel peace prize but it turned out to be a lie so you talked about the weather at the Mets game?

It doesn’t matter what you call facts, or what quote you dig up - Biden will never ever be the disaster Trump was. Not with Covid. Not with foreign policy. Not with anything. I know it is a hard pill to swallow Chico but you have 7 more years to choke it down. I know you can do it if you stop fighting with the real world.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Remember when Trump had our allies, the Kurds , slaughtered on the battlefield and you talked about the Mets?

Remember when he pissed off every ally we had in the world, or when he cozied up to every dictator, and you talked about the weather?

Remember when he kept lying about defeating and wiping out ISIS by tweeting he wiped out ISIS and you wanted to give him the nobel peace prize but it turned out to be a lie so you talked about the weather at the Mets game?

It doesn’t matter what you call facts, or what quote you dig up - Biden will never ever be the disaster Trump was. Not with Covid. Not with foreign policy. Not with anything. I know it is a hard pill to swallow Chico but you have 7 more years to choke it down. I know you can do it if you stop fighting with the real world.

I remember all that, he was a total shit and the worst president since before the Civil War.

Now for subject at hand Biden totally screwed up in Afghanistan, (Oh and yes Trump was planning to make the same damn screw up), but Trump's across the board ineptitude doesn't excuse Biden's on this issue.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

All in agreement? No we weren't. Under Obama, the decision was made to use Special Forces and a limited presence to deny the Taliban control of Afghanistan . This worked - we got to the point were costs and more importantly the casualties were low (to the point where fewer were dying or being injured than in normal training). Biden decided to go with the Trump plan.

America forgot what we went there in the first place for. (If you have one of those 9/11 never forget bumper stickers on your car tear it off). https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast...cials-n1276614

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

All in agreement? No we weren't. Under Obama, the decision was made to use Special Forces and a limited presence to deny the Taliban control of Afghanistan . This worked - we got to the point were costs and more importantly the casualties were low (to the point where fewer were dying or being injured than in normal training). Biden decided to go with the Trump plan.

America forgot what we went there in the first place for. (If you have one of those 9/11 never forget bumper stickers on your car tear it off). https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast...cials-n1276614

Cool. I concede that argument, and raise the other argument that the majority of Americans (that's 51% or over if you need numbers) are in agreement that we can't keep wasting money and American lives in Aghanistan.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Cool. I concede that argument, and raise the other argument that the majority of Americans (that's 51% or over if you need numbers) are in agreement that we can't keep wasting money and American lives in Aghanistan.

Yeah I know but my last statement stands - America did forget. Just add the never forget slogan to the dustbin that holds the never again slogan (How many genocides have occurred since 1945?).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

No…it doesn’t end with genocide and a humanitarian crisis. This has nothing to do with Trump. You honestly think is about translators

Biden solely owns this disaster.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No…it doesn’t end with genocide and a humanitarian crisis. This has nothing to do with Trump. You honestly think is about translators

Biden solely owns this disaster.

I just can't.

I have too much respect for this forum to tell you how little respect I have for you right now.