WFT 2021 Pre-Season Games Thread

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I don’t want to see Chase young anymore this preseason. He’s ready, don’t risk injury

That move on Wynn was fuckin nasty.

Apke is officially done. He was the one that gave up the 90 yard TD

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Apke is officially done. He was the one that gave up the 90 yard TD

Damn…Let me guess, bad angle?

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Damn…Let me guess, bad angle?

I'm actually not sure it was Apke's fault on this one. He has outside contain, he over commits a bit but it's mainly on either #24 Chris Miller or #45 Justin Phillips (or both) for bumping into each other and leaving E gap open.
Not great angle by #46 Cole Luke either.

(Don't get me wrong, I hope we move on from Apke, but that one isn't on him IMHO)

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'm actually not sure it was Apke's fault on this one. He has outside contain, he over commits a bit but it's mainly on either #24 Chris Miller or #45 Justin Phillips (or both) for bumping into each other and leaving E gap open.
Not great angle by #46 Cole Luke either.

(Don't get me wrong, I hope we move on from Apke, but that one isn't on him IMHO)

You need to move to the states and work for a team. Man, you put some great stuff out, supported with video. You do your research. Good stuff.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

You need to move to the states and work for a team. Man, you put some great stuff out, supported with video. You do your research. Good stuff.

Thanks a lot man. I actually have a quite limited football knowledge, when I listen to Cooley, or read Mark Bullock's breakdown, or even watch a bit of NFL GamePass film session, I have a glimpse of just how much I don't know about this sport.
I just happen to love it a lot, and a bit more with every snap I watch ^^

(As for the video, my job had me learn basic video editing skills, so when I know what to look for the whole process takes about 4 minutes, while doing something else)

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Thanks a lot man. I actually have a quite limited football knowledge, when I listen to Cooley, or read Mark Bullock's breakdown, or even watch a bit of NFL GamePass film session, I have a glimpse of just how much I don't know about this sport.
I just happen to love it a lot, and a bit more with every snap I watch ^^

(As for the video, my job had me learn basic video editing skills, so when I know what to look for the whole process takes about 4 minutes, while doing something else)

I know how to post a YouTube video here that someone else made. That's my video knowledge lol.

I don't read in depth about other teams but Bullock has to be one of the best in the business. His stuff is always great. Always look forward to his breakdowns.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'm actually not sure it was Apke's fault on this one. He has outside contain, he over commits a bit but it's mainly on either #24 Chris Miller or #45 Justin Phillips (or both) for bumping into each other and leaving E gap open.
Not great angle by #46 Cole Luke either.

(Don't get me wrong, I hope we move on from Apke, but that one isn't on him IMHO)

The more I'm looking at it, the more I'm pretty positive it's mainly on #24 for having the wrong gap, with the flow going to the left, he needs to be outside of #88, not inside IMO. Would need the All 22 to be (close to) sure about it, but safety #46 doesn't seem to take a very good angle either.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The more I'm looking at it, the more I'm pretty positive it's mainly on #24 for having the wrong gap, with the flow going to the left, he needs to be outside of #88, not inside IMO. Would need the All 22 to be (close to) sure about it, but safety #46 doesn't seem to take a very good angle either.

I think it’s a combination of Apke’s fault for widening too far, and 45’s fault for trying to flow under the action with a direct route to the ballcarrier.

The Pats TE was uncovered and he immediately comes off the line to block 24. And 24 appropriately steps up to take him on. 45 should have seen that and flowed over it but he steps forward and gets caught in the wash.

Meanwhile Apke had outside contain but he tries to hook around the lineman and avoid contact like a little bitch. His responsibility there is to charge straight at that lineman and get low, he needs to take out the lineman’s feet so the hole is just a little more narrow. By widening out he just gave the back a bigger lane and did the lineman’s job for him. Apke continues to make mistakes with angles, this is a prime example. Playing in the NFL takes courage and that play lacked it.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think it’s a combination of Apke’s fault for widening too far, and 45’s fault for trying to flow under the action with a direct route to the ballcarrier.

The Pats TE was uncovered and he immediately comes off the line to block 24. And 24 appropriately steps up to take him on. 45 should have seen that and flowed over it but he steps forward and gets caught in the wash.

Meanwhile Apke had outside contain but he tries to hook around the lineman and avoid contact like a little bitch. His responsibility there is to charge straight at that lineman and get low, he needs to take out the lineman’s feet so the hole is just a little more narrow. By widening out he just gave the back a bigger lane and did the lineman’s job for him. Apke continues to make mistakes with angles, this is a prime example. Playing in the NFL takes courage and that play lacked it.

Yeah Apke is too wide, but the main eff up is between #24 and #45, isn't it ?

From a gap responsibility standpoint I thought #24 was at fault, but the way you lay it out makes sense. I still feel like if #24 takes on the block more on the outside, #45 has a clearer lane while staying in his gap. What do you think?

Overall not good football for sure. Including Apke.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The more I'm looking at it, the more I'm pretty positive it's mainly on #24 for having the wrong gap, with the flow going to the left, he needs to be outside of #88, not inside IMO. Would need the All 22 to be (close to) sure about it, but safety #46 doesn't seem to take a very good angle either.

100% correct. Always coached that, as a DB, if you can see the back of your own players shirt between you and the BC then you've taken a bad angle. #24 should angle more to the sideline (Apke does do his outside contain job pretty well) rather than aiming off the DE's hip, so he meets the BC in the hole. #46 should flow parallel to the LOS until he sees the BC turn upfield, so he'd have the cut back if #24 forces the BC back. He's gone too shallow and got caught up in the wash. Have to see if they have learned lessons in game 2.