Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For those on here getting confused about what anyone is trying to say, Ill leave this for you.
There is absolutely no science that says the vaccination is bad. There is all the science in the world that says it is safe and effective.
The only way to stop the virus from mutating into something even deadlier is to get your vaccine.

“Get the vaccine if you want it” and “this virus is going to mutate either way” is one part bad advice, and one part misinformation because it is false and inaccurate, the virus can only mutate if kept alive by the unvaccinated.

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.

Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….

LOL

Shout all you want - YOU are wrong. I never said science is wrong or doctors are wrong. I actually said listen to your doctor. LOL

I feel like maybe you have banged your head on too many brick walls already, that might be the problem here.

Look, the creation of a vaccine for any new virus can cause additional mutations, AND the virus will also randomly mutate on its own as long as people continue to get infected (and both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are still getting infected).

Even Schneed10 understands what I'm saying here. His words:

"The one piece you said that made any sense was that the introduction of vaccines can result in mutations of the virus. True - it's like whack-a-mole, beat one variant down with a vaccine, and another will emerge...variants will also emerge through random mutation, the chances for which increase as the number of infected rise."

Vaccines can definitely slow the process, but I'm a realist. We're never going to get to 100% vaccination. Hell, about 20% of the world's population isn't even eligible for this emergency use vaccine. So, unless you plan to lock your kids in a closet for the foreseeable future, this virus will randomly mutate.

Will we ultimately get through this without a 100% vaccinate rate? I believe so.

Will more people die? Yes.

If you get the vaccine are you guaranteed not to get the virus or spread it? No.

Do you have a better chance of not dying from or spreading the virus if you get the vaccine? Yes.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.

Where you're going wrong though is failing to think of it in the aggregate.

All three of these statements are true:

1) The more people the virus spreads to, the greater the chances the virus will mutate to form new variants.

2) When the virus encounters vaccinated hosts, it gives rise to the possibility for new variants, as it adapts to survive and continue to replicate.

3) The impact of 1 above is greater than the impact of 2 above, so that if more people are vaccinated, on the aggregate, you reduce the potential for new variants to form.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Where you're going wrong though is failing to think of it in the aggregate.

All three of these statements are true:

1) The more people the virus spreads to, the greater the chances the virus will mutate to form new variants.

2) When the virus encounters vaccinated hosts, it gives rise to the possibility for new variants, as it adapts to survive and continue to replicate.

3) The impact of 1 above is greater than the impact of 2 above, so that if more people are vaccinated, on the aggregate, you reduce the potential for new variants to form.