Fresh Start Political Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

??? That's effing crazy , we need about 4 more of her!

I think he means in the context of her staying on the bench too long - now that SCOTUS is no longer above partisanship we either play the game or get played.

RBG should've retired - she didn't, and they took advantage of her death to flip another seat conservative.

For all the great she did - and she did a lot of great no doubt about it - her legacy with my generation will be overstaying her time on the SC.

Breyer also needs to retire while we have the means to replace him. If we lose the Senate or the House next year we risk another seat flipped in 2024.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think he means in the context of her staying on the bench too long - now that SCOTUS is no longer above partisanship we either play the game or get played.

RBG should've retired - she didn't, and they took advantage of her death to flip another seat conservative.

For all the great she did - and she did a lot of great no doubt about it - her legacy with my generation will be overstaying her time on the SC.

Breyer also needs to retire while we have the means to replace him. If we lose the Senate or the House next year we risk another seat flipped in 2024.

It's decisions by the Court like this one that will cause Biden to expand it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

It's decisions by the Court like this one that will cause Biden to expand it.

Biden won't expand the court because he doesn't play hardball - he's a middle of the pack Dem and as he has shown he would rather try to work with conservatives to get shit down than force it down their throats like Pelosi and the infrastructure bill.

That's the difference - conservatives like McConnell and Trump will go to any length to win - including shitting all over precedent - whereas we are still playing nice with the exception of AOC/etc. Trump and McConnell would expand the SCOTUS bench in a new york minute if that was the difference between holding the court for the next 40 years. Biden won't even entertain the idea.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Biden won't expand the court because he doesn't play hardball - he's a middle of the pack Dem and as he has shown he would rather try to work with conservatives to get shit down than force it down their throats like Pelosi and the infrastructure bill.

That's the difference - conservatives like McConnell and Trump will go to any length to win - including shitting all over precedent - whereas we are still playing nice with the exception of AOC/etc. Trump and McConnell would expand the SCOTUS bench in a new york minute if that was the difference between holding the court for the next 40 years. Biden won't even entertain the idea.

Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?

Republicans made the Court a political football when turtle man wouldn't confirm/hearing Obamas nominee and with their recent refusal to kill the Texas abortion BS it might be the only way.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?

It's not, but historically even presidents like GWB knew the importance of maintaining a fair balance on the court so that everyone knew the integrity of the court was above partisan politics.

Trump came along and convinced McConnell/etc. that winning at any cost is more important than maintaining the integrity of the court and now here we are. McConnell shits all over precedent when it comes to SCOTUS - won't even entertain a confirmation hearing for Garland with 8 months to go and then speeds through ACB when RBG dies within a month of the election. Now his super-majority has just shitted all over established precedent in saying the Texas abortion law that encourages private citizens to go prying into other people's lives doesn't damage Roe v Wade.

In our minds - your side is not playing fair. What do you when the other side is not playing fair? You escalate.

The integrity of SCOTUS is already lost imo. Used to be a time when they were above partisan politics - that time is gone.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's not, but historically even presidents like GWB knew the importance of maintaining a fair balance on the court so that everyone knew the integrity of the court was above partisan politics.

Trump came along and convinced McConnell/etc. that winning at any cost is more important than maintaining the integrity of the court and now here we are. McConnell shits all over precedent when it comes to SCOTUS - won't even entertain a confirmation hearing for Garland with 8 months to go and then speeds through ACB when RBG dies within a month of the election. Now his super-majority has just shitted all over established precedent in saying the Texas abortion law that encourages private citizens to go prying into other people's lives doesn't damage Roe v Wade.

In our minds - your side is not playing fair. What do you when the other side is not playing fair? You escalate.

The integrity of SCOTUS is already lost imo. Used to be a time when they were above partisan politics - that time is gone.

Glad we agree it’s not.