Portis Overrated?

[wolfeskins]

like it or not , stats don't lie. all the good football players have good stats and all the crappy players have crappy stats. you may find a few exceptions but not many.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

like it or not , stats don't lie. all the good football players have good stats and all the crappy players have crappy stats. you may find a few exceptions but not many.

point is, they don't keep stats for everything. guess all offensive linemen suck, they have no TDs, INTs, yards, OR sacks..

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

point is, they don't keep stats for everything. guess all offensive linemen suck, they have no TDs, INTs, yards, OR sacks..

No, for them they keep stats like pancakes.

I don't only use stats to judge players, but come on, you can't tell me that stats aren't what get players signed. That's not to slight Portis's ability to pick up the blitz, but I saw an interview with Bugel right after they got him and he said they had no idea he could do it so well until he got there. OMG, they didn't bring Clinton in to block.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jdlea

No, for them they keep stats like pancakes.

I don't only use stats to judge players, but come on, you can't tell me that stats aren't what get players signed. That's not to slight Portis's ability to pick up the blitz, but I saw an interview with Bugel right after they got him and he said they had no idea he could do it so well until he got there. OMG, they didn't bring Clinton in to block.

is that an official stat yet? and for how long? how bout passes defensed? all relatively new 'stats' that TRY to represent someone's worth. i agree stats get you noticed, but if Portis had T.O.s attitude or work 'ethic', he wouldn't have been brought here. i suppose everyone would be happy if he made 1300+ yds a season AND the NFL made 'pancakes' a stat for running backs too. maybe then he could make the Hall of Fame.

Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.

I'm gonna be totally honest. To steal a line from the Colbert Report: You just nailed me. I have no comeback from that one dude. Bravo.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm gonna be totally honest. To steal a line from the Colbert Report: You just nailed me. I have no comeback from that one dude. Bravo.

ha (love that show), no props to you, for acknowledging the importance and greatness of Art Monk.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

is that an official stat yet? and for how long? how bout passes defensed? all relatively new 'stats' that TRY to represent someone's worth. i agree stats get you noticed, but if Portis had T.O.s attitude or work 'ethic', he wouldn't have been brought here. i suppose everyone would be happy if he made 1300+ yds a season AND the NFL made 'pancakes' a stat for running backs too. maybe then he could make the Hall of Fame.

Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.

I've said a few times in this thread that there are other things that make a player great and other things that I respect. However, truly great players have great stats. Monk has great stats, just the HOF voters are dicks.

I love players like Lorenzo Neal because he's one of the ultimate "team" guys. However, you can't honestly tell me that you don't use stats to judge greatness.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I've said a few times in this thread that there are other things that make a player great and other things that I respect. However, truly great players have great stats. Monk has great stats, just the HOF voters are dicks.

I love players like Lorenzo Neal because he's one of the ultimate "team" guys. However, you can't honestly tell me that you don't use stats to judge greatness.

greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I do agree with that statement to an extent, but history doesn't show that. To cross sports, Bobby Jones is recognized as one of the greatest golfers, but he was a racist. Same with Ty Cobb. It's difficult to say that greatness is relative because history doesn't always support your arguement.

What Terrell Owens does on the football field is great. He's one of very few recievers EVER with 100 TD catches. He's a very good reciever.