Fresh Start Political Thread

[MTK]

Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.

I actually think a lot of people do…and polling suggests with not packing courts, I’m in the majority

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.

Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.

The number of justices has changed several times throughout history but we've somehow survived.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

The number of justices has changed several times throughout history but we've somehow survived.

Further politicizing the SP is the wrong move. Court packing in the past has been a failure

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

The number of justices has changed several times throughout history but we've somehow survived.

Previous changes weren't normally done for political or policy reasons, this proposal specifically would be for political reasons. If you expand the court for an administrative reason (need to to handle a larger workload) that is one thing, if you expand the court in order to get your policies enacted that is a different animal entirely. These current proposals are for the later and would destroy the court.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Previous changes weren't normally done for political or policy reasons, this proposal specifically would be for political reasons. If you expand the court for an administrative reason (need to to handle a larger workload) that is one thing, if you expand the court in order to get your policies enacted that is a different animal entirely. These current proposals are for the later and would destroy the court.

ACB's nomination was purely political. Garland's denial was purely political. Not issuing an injunction on an obviously political law that will eventually get shot down was purely political.

When we used to play nice and fair - everything was fine. Now we don't. Your side has no respect for the institution anymore and then you ask us to play nice? You reap what you sow.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.

The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.

“When we had the majority on the court it was fair, now it’s not fair because we don’t”

Let’s change laws because we are authoritarian fascists

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

“When we had the majority on the court it was fair, now it’s not fair because we don’t”

Let’s change laws because we are authoritarian fascists

I'm not talking about the majority, I'm talking about 4 dems, 4 republicans, and 1 moderate - which in this case would be John Roberts. That was as fair as it gets. The highest court in this country is worthless if it's not fair.

Now it's 6-3 - unless you are saying there is twice as many conservatives in this country as liberals there is 0% chance any liberal policy that isn't established by precedent (and even that is not a sure thing anymore) will be entertained.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm not talking about the majority, I'm talking about 4 dems, 4 republicans, and 1 moderate - which in this case would be John Roberts. That was as fair as it gets. The highest court in this country is worthless if it's not fair.

Now it's 6-3 - unless you are saying there is twice as many conservatives in this country as liberals there is 0% chance any liberal policy that isn't established by precedent (and even that is not a sure thing anymore) will be entertained.

It will be one sided until the end of time now. A democrat is never going to nominate a conservative judge or visa-versa, to try to be fair and even. Not sure if this was ever done or it was just more balanced than now as a coincidence.

Everything is political now and that's not on the Supreme Court that it got this way. They don't nominate themselves or play a role on getting confirmed.

They are on the court and need to do their jobs right regardless of what way they lean.

The problem lies with our government and us. Now every time a decision doesn't go our way it's not because there is no chance in hell they made an unbiased decision that they believe is the correct decision, its because they are a biased liberal/conservative playing party politics. This goes back to well before this Texas law.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

“When we had the majority on the court it was fair, now it’s not fair because we don’t”

......

Chico is spot on with this comment

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.

Was it a fair representation when there were more liberal judges than conservatives? Or did it just get destroyed in the past few years when Cavanaugh and Barrett got onto the bench?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.

Liberals controlled the Court from the 50s thru 70s - didn't see Conservatives demanding the destruction of the court.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Liberals controlled the Court from the 50s thru 70s - didn't see Conservatives demanding the destruction of the court.

Remind me again what important decisions were handed down during that time that showed a clear and obvious contempt for established law and/or precedent?