Fresh Start Political Thread

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Here we are the wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere plenty of resources. So let’s deport thousands of people to the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere because of course they can take care of these refugees. We are great neighbors https://www.democracynow.org/2021/9/...s_deportations

And so, what you have today is that you have Haitians in Mexico, either who have been here since 2016 or people who are newly arriving from these South American countries, and they cannot get work permits, they cannot get jobs. It is a very difficult situation. Their families in the U.S. or elsewhere are the ones having to send money to them. They’re staying in hotels, where maybe it’s $15 U.S. a day. So, they are now at a point of desperation. But they don’t want to go back to Haiti. You know, for them, this is a country that’s unstable. This is a country with a whole gang situation. This is a country that has changed in the two years, the six years, the 10 years, the 14 years that they have been away. So they take this chance, based on these false rumors, in an attempt to come to the United States. And so, this is the difficulty that you’re finding.

^^ from the article you linked.

heart breaking ... im going to sound like a flip flopping asshole after my bleeding heart Tigray post .... but we have to enforce our immigration laws.

We cant have anyone and everyone just walk into our country.

I think a good bit of Trump and the far right motivations come from "white replacement fear" and "white rage" from that fear ... Trump is our last hope, Make America White Again really is the true slogan ....

but open borders would end this country as we know it.

If you seek asylum, it is supposed ot be at the country bordering your country. Dont get to travel through like 5 different countries to choose America as your "asylum claim" country.

They should be kept/stopped in mexico and from there, have their claim processed and considered. Im sure we give Mexcio a shot ton of money to keep them there at the border.

President Biden has fast tracked the asylum process to try and address the issue after Trump/Miller clogged the system to a halt.

Illegal immigration is a throny issue.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

And so, what you have today is that you have Haitians in Mexico, either who have been here since 2016 or people who are newly arriving from these South American countries, and they cannot get work permits, they cannot get jobs. It is a very difficult situation. Their families in the U.S. or elsewhere are the ones having to send money to them. They’re staying in hotels, where maybe it’s $15 U.S. a day. So, they are now at a point of desperation. But they don’t want to go back to Haiti. You know, for them, this is a country that’s unstable. This is a country with a whole gang situation. This is a country that has changed in the two years, the six years, the 10 years, the 14 years that they have been away. So they take this chance, based on these false rumors, in an attempt to come to the United States. And so, this is the difficulty that you’re finding.

^^ from the article you linked.

heart breaking ... im going to sound like a flip flopping asshole after my bleeding heart Tigray post .... but we have to enforce our immigration laws.

We cant have anyone and everyone just walk into our country.

I think a good bit of Trump and the far right motivations come from "white replacement fear" and "white rage" from that fear ... Trump is our last hope, Make America White Again really is the true slogan ....

but open borders would end this country as we know it.

If you seek asylum, it is supposed ot be at the country bordering your country. Dont get to travel through like 5 different countries to choose America as your "asylum claim" country.

They should be kept/stopped in mexico and from there, have their claim processed and considered. Im sure we give Mexcio a shot ton of money to keep them there at the border.

President Biden has fast tracked the asylum process to try and address the issue after Trump/Miller clogged the system to a halt.

Illegal immigration is a throny issue.

I guess I don't understand why it has to be an either or issue. I am not advocating for an open border, but to deport people to a country that has no leadership right now, just hit by an earth quake and then follow it up by a hurricane when we are much better equipped to handle their basic humanitarian needs right now is highly unethical imo.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I guess I don't understand why it has to be an either or issue. I am not advocating for an open border, but to deport people to a country that has no leadership right now, just hit by an earth quake and then follow it up by a hurricane when we are much better equipped to handle their basic humanitarian needs right now is highly unethical imo.

Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible.

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Many said their only hope was to once again follow the long, arduous road of migration.

“I’m not going to stay in Haiti,” said Elène Jean-Baptiste, 28, who traveled with her 3-year-old son, Steshanley Sylvain, who was born in Chile and has a Chilean passport, and her husband, Stevenson Sylvain.

Many of the migrants who stepped off the plane Sunday have little to return to.

Claire Bazille left home in 2015, and had a job cleaning office buildings in Chile’s capital, Santiago. It wasn’t the dream life she had left Haiti to find, but she got by, even sending money home to her mother each month.

When Ms. Bazille heard that it was possible to enter the United States under the Biden administration, she left everything behind and headed north, joining other Haitians along the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/w...portation.html

^^ you have a job in Chile, son was born there with a Chile passport ... stay in Chile. You had a job, you presumably had a home, food, you had a life.

That is not conditions for seeking asylum.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible.

This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.

I agree we can't bring everyone in but there has to be a better way!