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Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:

Dude, you hold both chambers and the presidency.

Blame the gop? You have no leg to stand on with this claim, it’s simply bullshit

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dude, you hold both chambers and the presidency.

Blame the gop? You have no leg to stand on with this claim, it’s simply bullshit

Ill try and explain in the simplest of terms. The progressive wing of the democratic party wants other bills passed before they get on board. The GOP will not even consider it because they are suddenly fiscally responsible again. They were not when they stamped Trumps tax breaks for the rich. The only bullshit here is that you are pretending not to understand the bigger picture. Which you usually don’t when it involves Trump in a negative light. In this case wasting our money on his rich bitch friends so that he can do a victory conga line at mara lago with them all.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ill try and explain in the simplest of terms. The progressive wing of the democratic party wants other bills passed before they get on board. The GOP will not even consider it because they are suddenly fiscally responsible again. They were not when they stamped Trumps tax breaks for the rich. The only bullshit here is that you are pretending not to understand the bigger picture. Which you usually don’t when it involves Trump in a negative light. In this case wasting our money on his rich bitch friends so that he can do a victory conga line at mara lago with them all.

Tax breaks for the rich…the raising the SALT Tax to pre Trump limits? Bro, you know the SALT tax repeal that only Democrats are pushing would be the actually largest tax break for the wealthy that directly hits there personal tax return.
Read up:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...llion-dollars/

Ninety-six percent of the benefit would flow to the top 20 percent of the income distribution with the top 0.1 percent getting a tax cut of $154,000 per year, on average. To be fair, the middle class does get something. The middle 60 percent of the income distribution would receive, on average, a tax cut of $37 per year. Even in high-tax states, the middle class gets little. In New York, the top 1 percent would get a tax cut of about $103,000, on average. For those in the middle class, the benefit is just $90, on average. So repealing the cap is regressive and delivers little to no social benefit.

Also, raising the tobacco, vape, etc. taxes directly hits the poor.

You guys all are full of shit. It’s a socialist plan period which tax benefits the wealthy especially in high tax blue states.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Also, raising the tobacco, vape, etc. taxes directly hits the poor.

You guys all are full of shit. It’s a socialist plan period which tax benefits the wealthy especially in high tax blue states.

Agreed, taxes on things like alcohol, tobacco hit the poor more.

If suspending or raising the SALT cap would benefit wealthy especially in blue states ... are you willing to concede that Trumps tax plan which started this SALT mess was designed to target blue states.

Trump was such a partisan POS. President to half the country, vindictive petty asshole to the rest.

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Democratic-leaning blue states tend to be wealthier and pay more to the Federal Government than they get. In contrast, Republican-leaning red states tend to have less wealth and receive more Federal Government funds than they pay. In the MoneyGeek rankings, nine of the 10 most dependent states are considered red states.

"Higher-income states produce the majority of the tax dollars that go into the Federal Government's pocket," Fallon says. Because of the higher income, states and their residents need less support and use fewer federal dollars.

Fallon noted that recent tax code changes have made wealthy states' contributions more pronounced.

"Before, people who paid large state income taxes would deduct those from their federal tax payments," she says. Now, state tax deductions are capped. "Ironically, it means the wealthier states' populations are paying even more."

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/sta...t/#red-vs-blue


Chico youre right .. it is fucking socialism. Tax code written to attack blue states to prop up red states even more.

red states .. get your shit together you commie bastards.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:

Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a bipartisan bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a bipartisan bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.

Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.

You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?

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Originally Posted by nonniey

You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?

You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.

You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?

Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.