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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Oh I know Grid.

I have just seen some posts recently eluding to the idea that Rhule has done more with less, and that somehow they are on the path to greatness due to him, while RR is running this organization into the ground. It's not the case. I think both have the potential to be successful, but the jury is still out.

I am certainly one of those posters. Rhule has done more with less up until this point. RR isn’t running us into the ground. We were in the ground.

Also as far as the jury still being out well certainly on Rhule as he is in his second year of being a HC. RR on the other hand has had plenty of time to be successful. Is he the worst? Nope. Is he the best? Nope. If you look at it season to season he is closer to a failure than a success. Not sure where exactly on the spectrum but certainly closer to the wrong end of it.
Chief if you were the GM of the WFT and Carolina called and said hey Chief we want Ron back and you can have Rhule would you do it? I would. We know what Ron is. A good guy. A seemingly decent coach but with a propensity for losing seasons.
Could Carolina go in the shitter still? Yes. I can only base my opinion on an admittedly small window. He walked into a disaster in Carolina and took a year to see what he had. Now in year two they “appear” to be a much improved team. In year two of Rons time here we “appear” to have taken a step back. At least on the defensive side of the ball. Hard to judge the offense because they had two bad quarterbacks and one wr. Gibson was hurt. So to say the offense has improved in year two under Ron and Co. seems to me to be based on personnel not coaching.

Again they offer up a coach swap im all in. But you never know what the future holds I guess.

Also in regards to ur post about us having more success in 2020 we played them Dec 27. They were 5-10. We were 6-9. Most of our wins against the nfc least. They won. Chances are Carolina would have won the East last year if they were in it.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I am certainly one of those posters. Rhule has done more with less up until this point. RR isn’t running us into the ground. We were in the ground.

Also as far as the jury still being out well certainly on Rhule as he is in his second year of being a HC. RR on the other hand has had plenty of time to be successful. Is he the worst? Nope. Is he the best? Nope. If you look at it season to season he is closer to a failure than a success. Not sure where exactly on the spectrum but certainly closer to the wrong end of it.
Chief if you were the GM of the WFT and Carolina called and said hey Chief we want Ron back and you can have Rhule would you do it? I would. We know what Ron is. A good guy. A seemingly decent coach but with a propensity for losing seasons.
Could Carolina go in the shitter still? Yes. I can only base my opinion on an admittedly small window. He walked into a disaster in Carolina and took a year to see what he had. Now in year two they “appear” to be a much improved team. In year two of Rons time here we “appear” to have taken a step back. At least on the defensive side of the ball. Hard to judge the offense because they had two bad quarterbacks and one wr. Gibson was hurt. So to say the offense has improved in year two under Ron and Co. seems to me to be based on personnel not coaching.

Again they offer up a coach swap im all in. But you never know what the future holds I guess.

Also in regards to ur post about us having more success in 2020 we played them Dec 27. They were 5-10. We were 6-9. Most of our wins against the nfc least. They won. Chances are Carolina would have won the East last year if they were in it.

I guess RR didn't walk into a disaster here. A 3-13 team with scandals on top of scandals with regard to the owner, the cheerleader debacle, sexual harassment claims, their best player (TW) wanting out, a newly drafted QB that no one besides the owner wanted, and Alex Smith (no elaboration needed), the pandemic (which all teams dealt with - but not with a simultaneous cancer diagnosis)...I mean the list goes on...

Panthers were 5-11 in 2019, Redskins were 3-13.

Since 2020 the Panthers had only two QBs start more than one game. Teddy started all but one in 2020, and they have had one QB (Darnold) this year.
Washington - has had four QBs start at least four games - not including losing their starter in week one of 2021.

To say Rhule has done more with less is not accurate, and I can't say he's any better than RR at this point.

They both may be successful where they are, but to anoint Rhule anything at this point is undeserving in my opinion. No, right now I wouldn't swap RR with Rhule.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I guess RR didn't walk into a disaster here. A 3-13 team with scandals on top of scandals with regard to the owner, the cheerleader debacle, sexual harassment claims, their best player (TW) wanting out, a newly drafted QB that no one besides the owner wanted, and Alex Smith (no elaboration needed), the pandemic (which all teams dealt with - but not with a simultaneous cancer diagnosis)...I mean the list goes on...

Panthers were 5-11 in 2019, Redskins were 3-13.

Since 2020 the Panthers had only two QBs start more than one game. Teddy started all but one in 2020, and they have had one QB (Darnold) this year.
Washington - has had four QBs start at least four games - not including losing their starter in week one of 2021.

To say Rhule has done more with less is not accurate, and I can't say he's any better than RR at this point.

They both may be successful where they are, but to anoint Rhule anything at this point is undeserving in my opinion. No, right now I wouldn't swap RR with Rhule.

Never said RR inherited a good team. Lol. I think I started off by saying he didn’t drive us into the ground. We were already in it.

Was totally comparing Rons time in Carolina with Rhules very short time there. I am well aware of the shitshow organization that is us, his cancer, etc. It is why I didn’t really touch on that part of his career…much.

NFL execs fired Ron and replaced him with Rhule who turned around and beat Ron.

When I made my original comment about him doing more with less a couple weeks ago I thought I was clear it was a very small sample size - if not my bad. Rhule might shit the bed and get fired in two years never to coach again? Who knows?

Seriously Chief im not in love with Rhule - haven’t seen enough. This is strictly a hunch and strictly based on an extremely small window. It “appears” though that his team on both sides of the ball have bought in and it is year two. It “appears” that the team is trending up. My hunch says the guy is a good coach and will go down as a better coach than Ron. But, of course, I root for us not them so I hope Ron turns our team around and Rhule and the Panthes can fuck off. Lol. Just objective football talk Chief, and you never answered the question, would you swap coaches? I totally would. Might wind up regretting it of course but I would.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Never said RR inherited a good team. Lol. I think I started off by saying he didn’t drive us into the ground. We were already in it.

Was totally comparing Rons time in Carolina with Rhules very short time there. I am well aware of the shitshow organization that is us, his cancer, etc. It is why I didn’t really touch on that part of his career…much.

NFL execs fired Ron and replaced him with Rhule who turned around and beat Ron.

When I made my original comment about him doing more with less a couple weeks ago I thought I was clear it was a very small sample size - if not my bad. Rhule might shit the bed and get fired in two years never to coach again? Who knows?

Seriously Chief im not in love with Rhule - haven’t seen enough. This is strictly a hunch and strictly based on an extremely small window. It “appears” though that his team on both sides of the ball have bought in and it is year two. It “appears” that the team is trending up. My hunch says the guy is a good coach and will go down as a better coach than Ron. But, of course, I root for us not them so I hope Ron turns our team around and Rhule and the Panthes can fuck off. Lol. Just objective football talk Chief, and you never answered the question, would you swap coaches? I totally would. Might wind up regretting it of course but I would.

Chief's last line you quoted said he would not swap. Neither would I. Coaching the WFT is not just x's and o's. There is a lot more, and RR has put a lot of order into the chaos.

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Chief's last line you quoted said he would not swap. Neither would I. Coaching the WFT is not just x's and o's. There is a lot more, and RR has put a lot of order into the chaos.

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My bad. I totally read his post. Twice actually. How the hell did i miss that? Lol.
Agreed about WFT being a tough job. Said as much. Has he put order in the chaos? Serious question. What is different? Not saying in the long run if he hangs around he wont but what has changed to date, due to Ron?

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Ruhle’s best hire was Joe Brady, he’s an offensive guru, just look what he has done with Sam Darnold. He will be a HC candidate next year.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Never said RR inherited a good team. Lol. I think I started off by saying he didn’t drive us into the ground. We were already in it.

Was totally comparing Rons time in Carolina with Rhules very short time there. I am well aware of the shitshow organization that is us, his cancer, etc. It is why I didn’t really touch on that part of his career…much.

NFL execs fired Ron and replaced him with Rhule who turned around and beat Ron.

When I made my original comment about him doing more with less a couple weeks ago I thought I was clear it was a very small sample size - if not my bad. Rhule might shit the bed and get fired in two years never to coach again? Who knows?

Seriously Chief im not in love with Rhule - haven’t seen enough. This is strictly a hunch and strictly based on an extremely small window. It “appears” though that his team on both sides of the ball have bought in and it is year two. It “appears” that the team is trending up. My hunch says the guy is a good coach and will go down as a better coach than Ron. But, of course, I root for us not them so I hope Ron turns our team around and Rhule and the Panthes can fuck off. Lol. Just objective football talk Chief, and you never answered the question, would you swap coaches? I totally would. Might wind up regretting it of course but I would.

Fair enough, you never said RR inherited a good team. However, you were not comparing Ron's time in Carolina with Rhule's very short time there. You specifically stated that Rhule walked into a disaster and "in year two they “appear” to be a much improved team. In year two of Ron's time here we “appear” to have taken a step back." That is comparing RR's time with WFT to Rhule's time in Carolina.

Head to head, Rhule is 1-0. However, I think that has less to do with Rhule, and more to do with the hand each was dealt. Isn't that the game right after Haskins was stripped of his captaincy? He threw two INTs and Heinicke came in off the street to mop up?

I'm still stuck on how Rhule has less, but has done more.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Fair enough, you never said RR inherited a good team. However, you were not comparing Ron's time in Carolina with Rhule's very short time there. You specifically stated that Rhule walked into a disaster and "in year two they “appear” to be a much improved team. In year two of Ron's time here we “appear” to have taken a step back." That is comparing RR's time with WFT to Rhule's time in Carolina.

It is why I said, “……much” , after referencing Rons time in Washington in that statement you are referring too.

Listen Chief we could do this until RR and Rhule retire but ……..

At the end of the day I believe Rhule is a better coach, and I believe that the current WFT has more talent on it than the current Carolina team does. You may certainly disagree with these thoughts.
Time will tell.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It is why I said, “……much” , after referencing Rons time in Washington in that statement you are referring too.

Listen Chief we could do this until RR and Rhule retire but ……..

At the end of the day I believe Rhule is a better coach, and I believe that the current WFT has more talent on it than the current Carolina team does. You may certainly disagree with these thoughts.
Time will tell.

I respect your opinion Punch, I just disagree with it.

I think RR and company will ultimately get this thing going where we thought it should go. You are right though, time will tell.

We play the Panthers again this year on November 21. Hopefully we're rolling by then.