WFT vs. Panthers pre-game thread

[skinsfaninok]

He's not wrong.. It's Dan Snyder and until he is gone it'll be the same shit

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He's not wrong.. It's Dan Snyder and until he is gone it'll be the same shit

At this point what is Snyder doing that has a result of what's on the field? He has totally turned everything over to Ron. The Snyder bashing imo is tired and old. We can bash him for stuff off the field, but after Haskins what has he done? Since that pick what has he actually done that has a result of what's on the field? This is Ron's show.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

At this point what is Snyder doing that has a result of what's on the field? He has totally turned everything over to Ron. The Snyder bashing imo is tired and old. We can bash him for stuff off the field, but after Haskins what has he done? Since that pick what has he actually done that has a result of what's on the field? This is Ron's show.

Yeah but you can't change the culture in 1.5 yrs.. Plus at the end of the day Dan could fire Ron tomorrow if he wanted. He's still in charge no matter what we want to believe

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah but you can't change the culture in 1.5 yrs.. Plus at the end of the day Dan could fire Ron tomorrow if he wanted. He's still in charge no matter what we want to believe

I think you can cure culture with a winning season. I don't ever hear the teams that are consistent winners talk about culture. Win a playoff game or two. Then all of the stuff that the media pounces on goes away, it's forgotten. If we were having winning seasons and competing for championships no one would really care about the stuff w/ the cheerleaders.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you can cure culture with a winning season. I don't ever hear the teams that are consistent winners talk about culture. Win a playoff game or two. Then all of the stuff that the media pounces on goes away, it's forgotten. If we were having winning seasons and competing for championships no one would really care about the stuff w/ the cheerleaders.

The media isn’t pouncing on anything. The cheerleader “stuff” is heinous and disgusting and inexcusable. Winning doesn’t make that go away.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The media isn’t pouncing on anything. The cheerleader “stuff” is heinous and disgusting and inexcusable. Winning doesn’t make that go away.

Of course it was but my point is people aka fans would not care as much. We finally won a game and people are talking about possible playoffs. Win a few more games and make it in the playoffs and no one will care about what the attorney put in her report.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Of course it was but my point is people aka fans would not care as much. We finally won a game and people are talking about possible playoffs. Win a few more games and make it in the playoffs and no one will care about what the attorney put in her report.

Idk it would absolutely pain me to see Snyder hold up a trophy with a shit eating grin on his face to the point it might ruin the ultimate prize in my eyes.
I understand what you are saying about winning makes things better, but in this case with this douche I am not sure.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you can cure culture with a winning season. I don't ever hear the teams that are consistent winners talk about culture. Win a playoff game or two. Then all of the stuff that the media pounces on goes away, it's forgotten. If we were having winning seasons and competing for championships no one would really care about the stuff w/ the cheerleaders.

I think winning teams speak of culture in terms like " the Patriots way of doing things ", or "you know {team name} would never bring in {player name} it just isn't what they do".

I do agree that winning would cure a lot of the bad culture talk, but when you have over 20+ years of mismanagement, toxic environments, and failed club performance, it takes time (and wins) for players, coaches, and fans to believe that you have changed and are doing things the "right" way.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think winning teams speak of culture in terms like " the Patriots way of doing things ", or "you know {team name} would never bring in {player name} it just isn't what they do".

I do agree that winning would cure a lot of the bad culture talk, but when you have over 20+ years of mismanagement, toxic environments, and failed club performance, it takes time (and wins) for players, coaches, and fans to believe that you have changed and are doing things the "right" way.

Good point about the Patriot way. That was all great until Brady left and they had a losing season. Then we heard rumblings of how difficult it is playing under Belichick, how it isn't fun and players are miserable there...lol. They start winning and here comes the Patriot Way stuff again....

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Good point about the Patriot way. That was all great until Brady left and they had a losing season. Then we heard rumblings of how difficult it is playing under Belichick, how it isn't fun and players are miserable there...lol. They start winning and here comes the Patriot Way stuff again....

Definitely Winning and culture issues go hand in hand. But we have seen winning seasons (not many) under DS, but the underlying rot stays the same.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

At this point what is Snyder doing that has a result of what's on the field? He has totally turned everything over to Ron. The Snyder bashing imo is tired and old. We can bash him for stuff off the field, but after Haskins what has he done? Since that pick what has he actually done that has a result of what's on the field? This is Ron's show.

Well the Haskins Pick was a pretty important pick and we could certainly use a first round talent not named DH at this point so that is still being felt and will be for the life of a first round talent not named DH.

Other than that who really knows how involved he has been? Id like to believe not at all because he is an idiot but who knows.

Lastly Dans lousy reputation and off the field bullshit certainly do not make this an appealing organization to play for, coach for, or work for so yeah his off the field bullshit also takes a toll with what you see on the field.