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[nonniey]

For those gnashing their teeth over Mississsippi's abortion law. You should know that its' law is in line with the vast majority of European Countries (and even still more permissive - 12-14 weeks being the norm). It's the US that is out of sync with the rest of the world on what is permissible when it comes to abortion. In other words we've implemented the extreme position of abortion legality.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

For those gnashing their teeth over Mississsippi's abortion law. You should know that its' law is in line with the vast majority of European Countries (and even still more permissive - 12-14 weeks being the norm). It's the US that is out of sync with the rest of the world on what is permissible when it comes to abortion. In other words we've implemented the extreme position of abortion legality.

So do you look to the Europe when it comes to universal healthcare and free education ?

Be careful Chico will label u a national socialist bernie bro commie.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So do you look to the Europe when it comes to universal healthcare and free education ?

No, but I do like to point out that Mississippi's law is not in the least bit extreme, it is what is currently allowed in the United State that is extreme relative to what is permitted in the rest of the world (the most extreme at that as only 5 other countries permit what we do).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by nonniey

No, but I do like to point out that Mississippi's law is not in the least bit extreme, it is what is currently allowed in the United State that is extreme relative to what is permitted in the rest of the world (the most extreme at that as only 5 other countries permit what we do).

Fair enough. I’ll borrow from your measuring stick logic during our next conversation about universal healthcare and or free education….
Just for the record i have no problem with lowering the legal term for abortion. Not 12 weeks but 20.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

For those gnashing their teeth over Mississsippi's abortion law. You should know that its' law is in line with the vast majority of European Countries (and even still more permissive - 12-14 weeks being the norm). It's the US that is out of sync with the rest of the world on what is permissible when it comes to abortion. In other words we've implemented the extreme position of abortion legality.

You are leaving out the part where most European countries allow abortions past their cutoff mark for "broad socio-economic and mental health" reasons.

I have no idea how many abortions are performed in each European country past their cut off date but from what Im reading .. its broad and liberal.

The Mississippi law only allows exceptions for medical emergency or "severe fetal abnormality".

If a 19 year old that is 18 weeks pregnant can say she wants an abortion bc shes a student or working pay check to pay check and she can then get an exception to the 15 weeks ... thats far different from the reality of the Mississippi law.

inverse example (and maybe a bad example) but 45 States have exceptions for minors to drink alcohol but no one would say the drinking age in America is 16.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...law-compares-/


https://reproductiverights.org/wp-co...ive-review.pdf

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

You are leaving out the part where most European countries allow abortions past their cutoff mark for "broad socio-economic and mental health" reasons.

I have no idea how many abortions are performed in each European country past their cut off date but from what Im reading .. its broad and liberal.

The Mississippi law only allows exceptions for medical emergency or "severe fetal abnormality". ........

That is a bit of a stretch. Mississippi's exceptions for medical emergency or "severe fetal abnormality" is similar to European exceptions or in other words about as "broad and liberal." Of the examples below I prefer the French policy.

Germany - permits late-term abortions in cases of rape or if the physical or psychological health of the mother is considered at risk of serious harm.
(vice any medical reason, even temporary, for the US).

France - Abortions in the second and third trimesters are permitted only if two physicians certify that it is necessary to save the life of the mother, to prevent grave and permanent harm to her health, or the child has a severe and incurable illness.

UK - permits abortion for socio-economic reasons up to 24 weeks, but up to birth if “there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.”

Netherlands - Abortions after 24 weeks are permitted in certain circumstances, such as when the unborn child has an untreatable “disorder” or is deemed likely to suffer after its birth.

https://lozierinstitute.org/chief-ju...an-mainstream/

[mooby]

Originally Posted by nonniey

That is a bit of a stretch. Mississippi's exceptions for medical emergency or "severe fetal abnormality" is similar to European exceptions or in other words about as "broad and liberal." Of the examples below I prefer the French policy.

Germany - permits late-term abortions in cases of rape or if the physical or psychological health of the mother is considered at risk of serious harm.
(vice any medical reason, even temporary, for the US).

France - Abortions in the second and third trimesters are permitted only if two physicians certify that it is necessary to save the life of the mother, to prevent grave and permanent harm to her health, or the child has a severe and incurable illness.

UK - permits abortion for socio-economic reasons up to 24 weeks, but up to birth if “there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.”

Netherlands - Abortions after 24 weeks are permitted in certain circumstances, such as when the unborn child has an untreatable “disorder” or is deemed likely to suffer after its birth.

https://lozierinstitute.org/chief-ju...an-mainstream/

Question - how many clinics does it country offer? More than 1 each I assume?

Asking because not only does Mississippi want to criminalize abortion after 15? weeks - IIRC they only have like one clinic in the state which I assume is packed 24/7 because 1 clinic for an entire state is nowhere near enough to serve the population.

You keep arguing about specifics or individual line-items but you're ignoring the big picture. The big picture is to restrict or fully criminalize all abortion so that woman are completely deterred from doing it.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Question - how many clinics does it country offer? More than 1 each I assume?

Asking because not only does Mississippi want to criminalize abortion after 15? weeks - IIRC they only have like one clinic in the state which I assume is packed 24/7 because 1 clinic for an entire state is nowhere near enough to serve the population.

You keep arguing about specifics or individual line-items but you're ignoring the big picture. The big picture is to restrict or fully criminalize all abortion so that woman are completely deterred from doing it.

Limited facilities is a different type of apple (both are apples). My main concern is what is actually legal. The legality of the late term abortions that verge on infanticide is repugnant. Several thousand viable and healthy fetus's are aborted in the United States every year because of the extreme policy position the US has on abortion - Mississippi's law addresses some of that. Heck even if the Supreme Court rules that states can regulate from conception there will still be other states that permit abortions of healthy viable fetus's up to the second they would have been due (ie Vermont).

The argument that it is relatively rare holds no water with me - it being legal to abort a fetus that if delivered can live on it's own is unconscionable.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Limited facilities is a different type of apple (both are apples). My main concern is what is actually legal. The legality of the late term abortions that verge on infanticide is repugnant. Several thousand viable and healthy fetus's are aborted in the United States every year because of the extreme policy position the US has on abortion - Mississippi's law addresses some of that. Heck even if the Supreme Court rules that states can regulate from conception there will still be other states that permit abortions of healthy viable fetus's up to the second they would have been due (ie Vermont).

The argument that it is relatively rare holds no water with me - it being legal to abort a fetus that if delivered can live on it's own is unconscionable.

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