New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SkinsLove24/7

This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.

Interesting! I am obviously a huge LaVar fan and said from the beginning the reasons Joe and Staff benched LaVar was not because of playing ability. However, I have somewhat moved on from that decussion and am pumped that he back on the field full time. I would like to bring up the Coles issue, that Danny got personal with him as well. Telling him he would be sitting home watching the games on the Plasma he was sending. This was leaked through the media, and had some reliable sources as well. I would not put it past Danny to get personal, but always thought him and LaVar had a pretty good relationship. I just hope this crap does not effect his playing in DC.

[offiss]

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost

Intelligent comment. So by this logic, Gibbs and company realized how much LaVar sucked at the beginning of the season, but it somehow completely slipped their minds around week seven. Correct?

And as far as the Snyder theory, that was my original theory from the start, which I based on Snyders handling of previous situations involving players and money. Even after all of the comments from LaVar and the coaches, I still think there is a 50/50 shot that Snyder was involved.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Intelligent comment. So by this logic, Gibbs and company realized how much LaVar sucked at the beginning of the season, but it somehow completely slipped their minds around week seven. Correct?

And as far as the Snyder theory, that was my original theory from the start, which I based on Snyders handling of previous situations involving players and money. Even after all of the comments from LaVar and the coaches, I still think there is a 50/50 shot that Snyder was involved.

Intelligent reply, so by your logic we don't need coaches to teach players to be better player's, by having the coaches work with him from the beggining of the season, and then spoon feed him into the defense to see how he will react, is not something coaches should have been working with him on trying to salvage this guys carreer? It seems they have more confidence in C. Clemons these day's then they do in Arrington.

As far as Snyder is concerned, I guess Gibbs is a liar when he said he has total control over the franchise as far as it concerns on field football matters, and personel, especially when he say's it sitting next to Snyder, and yes Snyder agrees.

The bottom line is Williams was not going to hand Lavar a starting job just because his name is Lavar Arrington, he treated him like anyone else on the defense, and forced him to prove he belongs out there, and guess what when you remove the personality of Lavar, your left with a highly overated football player who was easily replaced by the likes of Lamar Marshall last season, and now C. Clemons.

Give me C. Clemons on passing down's over Lavar any day of the week!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

I remember that play. Dont know who was to be covering Gates because him and Taylor blitzed on the same side at the same time. So one of the two should have been covering him. I would have imagined it would have been taylor since he has far better cover skills than Lavar.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I remember that play. Dont know who was to be covering Gates because him and Taylor blitzed on the same side at the same time. So one of the two should have been covering him. I would have imagined it would have been taylor since he has far better cover skills than Lavar.

Lavar didn't blitz on that play, and he was the only one in that area, and he stood there while Gates went uncovered.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

I'd say that right now Marcus Washington is our best and most complete LB.

However, LaVar is still a very talented and productive player and he certainly doesn't "stink". That's just ridiculous to say.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.

As for the play involving Gates, I recorded it so I was able to watch the replay a few times, Arrington stood in the D-backfield on the strong side and followed Brees's movement as if he had a chance to make a play on the QB from the secondary, while Gates ran right out into the flat into Arringtons area while Arrington ignored the fact that someone could slip out into the flat, he then only reacted after the ball was thrown and it was to late to catch up, he was the only one out there, and realisticly the only one who should have been responsible for anyone releasing into the flat, and that is why Williams is reluctant to play him, he really is in his own world out there, it just takes one play like that to cost us a game [especially the way our offense keeps teams in the game] and Williams is not willing to risk that.

Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.

[SmootSmack]

I'm happy to see both Clemons brothers getting playing time, I wish Nic would get more. But maybe it's just me but it seems like Chris Clemons is playing at Holdman's expense, and not so much LaVar's. WH has completely disappeared it seems

[40Walton]

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

Interesting observation 40Walton, and WELCOME!!!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

There are plenty of players who have proven themselves to Williams, they did by effort, and production, Rogers [a rookie]I do believe is now starting, marshall is playing a totally new position at MLB, the entire defense last year knew nothing of Williams but were able to establish themselves from day 1, Williams didn't trust taylor at the start of last season, but Taylor made a believer out of him, I don't by the idea that Williams is sitting Lavar because he's comfortable with the likes of Holdman, who wasen't here last year, or Clemons who was a practice squad player for most of last season, it's not like he couldn't have tried to convert Lavar to a MLB, he didn't even consider it.

Lavar's knee did factor into his situation now, but it's a small part of the big picture.

I to enjoy that 1 big hit Lavar seems to make every once in a while, but it doesn't make up for the mental lapses he seems to have all to often, which is the real reason he's on the bench, athletic ability alone does not make a football player.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

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[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.

Far better at it? I thought you were all about production. Clemons has two sack this year. If he can come out of this season with anywhere close to 10 sacks, I might buy that.