Ukraine mega thread

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The easiest evidence to see the media is in the bag for failed presidency is why you hear so much of Tucker, Candace Owens, Trump, etc and Ukraine. Of course none of these people matter when it comes to decision making or strategy.

Wa Post, NYT, La times, Chicago Tribune, NBC news, CNN…no one raising an ounce of criticism on Jake Sullivan, Blinken, Psaki, Klein, Harris or Biden over Ukraine. Why is that? It doesn’t reflect the actual sentiment of the American people:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/390086/...ssia-near.aspx

36% approve of the handling of Russia vs 55% disapprove. Overall 41 approve vs 55 disapprove.

4 out of the top 5 articles most read on the Wa Post were about Trump. It’s laughable how out of touch the coverage is.

That’s why they continue to highlight Tucker, Owens, Trump, etc.

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

Definitely plenty of blame to go around. Some of it falls on Biden but certainly not all of it or most of it.

Treat countries like Russia with kiddy gloves and they will walk all over you.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Definitely plenty of blame to go around. Some of it falls on Biden but certainly not all of it or most of it.

Treat countries like Russia with kiddy gloves and they will walk all over you.

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

“There is nothing he coulda done” excuses continue

He’s just the leader of the free world

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

“There is nothing he coulda done” excuses continue

He’s just the leader of the free world

Great retort but you didn't answer the question comrade chico?

[Giantone]

For those of you that think this is a one time thing, think again!

https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-sen...e-ukraine-way/


Amid the ongoing Russian military operations in Ukraine, the country’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Friday that Moscow will have to respond if Sweden and Finland become NATO members.

“All OSCE member states in their national capacity, including Finland and Sweden, have reaffirmed the principle that the security of one country cannot be built at the expense of the security of others.

Obviously, the accession of Finland and Sweden to NATO, which is primarily a military alliance as you well understand, would have serious military and political consequences, which would require our country to make response steps,” Zakharova told a briefing.

On Thursday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg invited Sweden and Finland to attend a NATO virtual summit on the situation in and around Ukraine on Friday. On the same day, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said that Finland will be ready to join NATO “if the issue of national security becomes acute.”

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

I think there are things that could have been done differently. Stopping Russian access to SWIFT earlier. Cyberattack their infrastructure. Talk to Saudi Arabia about flooding the petroleum market to cut into Russian profits and literally their most valuable export.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think there are things that could have been done differently. Stopping Russian access to SWIFT earlier. Cyberattack their infrastructure. Talk to Saudi Arabia about flooding the petroleum market to cut into Russian profits and literally their most valuable export.

None of that would have matter to putin. He wants the entire Soviet Union back ,.....all of it. The Saudis won't do shit for America ,not one OPEC Country has gone back to pre pandemic production and that is on purpose. This is all about putin he doesn't care about the Russian people at all.


Let's not forget he gave refuge to an American traitor...


Edward Snowden

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

I just don’t agree here. George W was tough on Russia…john McCain and Mitt Romney ( Obama: 1980s called they want their foreign policy back) both Presidential nominations and leaders in the GOP both extremely tough and hawkish on Russia. While Trump disgracefully praised Putin multiple times, his positions and policy were tough on Russia. I’ve outlined it above and he placed the sanctions on Nordstream 2 originally.

But when I say check the record on Biden, he’s praised Russia as well in the past and even considered him an ally while in the Obama administration. Democrats used Russia as a scapegoat for 2016 that’s where I see the basis for their emerging hate of Russia. Here is Biden in the Obama administration:

US Vice President Joe Biden announced Obama’s new policy at the February 2009 Munich Security Conference: ‘It’s time to press the reset button and to revisit the many areas where we can and should be working together with Russia.’6 At the heart of this reset was prudent expectations management, using moderate rhetoric to create a set of achievable goals. The focus was interest-based pragmatism and a restrained policy toward Russia’s neighbours and toward Russia’s internal politics.