Portis/game

[irish]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

That's complete BS analysis by Riggins. CP has only 66% of our rushing TDs. Show me another team with a 1300 yard rusher who accounts for such a small percentage of his team's rushing TDs. Point is, Betts, Sellers, and Rock all get goal line touches. That doesn't suggest inefficiency to me - that suggests CP is a team player. Do you think Shawn Alexander would stand for Maurice Morris getting 8 rushing TDs this year? Absolutely not.

While I dont doubt CP is as much a team player as the next guy you make it sound like he is going to the coachs telling them to spread the TDs around. I doubt thats the case. The skins RBs all get goal line touches because thats how the coaches call the plays, nothing more, nothing less.

Just curious, how do you know Shawn Alexander would not stand for Maurice Morris getting 8 rushing TDs?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by irish

While I dont doubt CP is as much a team player as the next guy you make it sound like he is going to the coachs telling them to spread the TDs around. I doubt thats the case. The skins RBs all get goal line touches because thats how the coaches call the plays, nothing more, nothing less.

Just curious, how do you know Shawn Alexander would not stand for Maurice Morris getting 8 rushing TDs?

Exhibit A:

One yard. Three feet. Thirty-six inches. Any way you measure it, the Seattle Seahawks’ Shaun Alexander came up just short in his effort to pass the New York Jets’ Curtis Martin for the NFL rushing title.
“Of course it would have been sweet to get it,” Alexander said. “I feel worse because we had a quarterback sneak for a touchdown.”

Exhibit B:

"We were on the freakin' goal line, and I got stabbed in the back."

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Key to victory is running Portis outside. Those plays were money almost every time!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

I just wanted to say this is the type of game I've been waiting for for many years. All around it was a good game. I don't know if anyone else noticed but we ran Portis to his style of running alot more today


go skinssssssssss!!!
Hail2em

I still wish we would incorperate some draw plays for Portis, I just think he would be so much more effective with those quick draw play's, it would also help to give Brunell a little more time on some passing plays as well, defenses would have to respect the handoffs on the draw play. It is nice to see them giving Portis the ball on the outside more, defiently more his style, hopefully we don't stop there, I hope we continue to adjust for him and get more draws, as well as screen plays for him.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

I still wish we would incorperate some draw plays for Portis, I just think he would be so much more effective with those quick draw play's, it would also help to give Brunell a little more time on some passing plays as well, defenses would have to respect the handoffs on the draw play. It is nice to see them giving Portis the ball on the outside more, defiently more his style, hopefully we don't stop there, I hope we continue to adjust for him and get more draws, as well as screen plays for him.

funny you say that cuz those outside runs in the Dallas games were old school Gibbs era Redskin counter-treys...not what you usually think of when you say "Portis style". just goes to show his versatility.

i think Betts is a good back, but i think Rock could take his place without a hitch. Betts has missed a lot more games than Portis as a BACKUP, and Rock is even more of a change of pace than Betts being a former FullBack and all.

Betts is just on my shit list right now taking Randy Thomas out while fumbling. if we could get something decent for him, i'd take it.

[MTK]

I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those outside pitches to Portis counter plays??

I don't recall seeing that this year, looked like a new wrinkle to the running game.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those outside pitches to Portis counter plays??

I don't recall seeing that this year, looked like a new wrinkle to the running game.

as far as i know, Counter-Treys are counter plays with three linemen pulling. hence "Tre"

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by illdefined

as far as i know, Counter-Treys are counter plays with three linemen pulling. hence "Tre"

two linemen pull

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I could be wrong but weren't a lot of those outside pitches to Portis counter plays??

I don't recall seeing that this year, looked like a new wrinkle to the running game.

With the counter trey the ball is handed off, pitch is a pitch, linemen are alway's pulling on a pitch, or sweep play. counter has a misdirection to it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

With the counter trey the ball is handed off, pitch is a pitch, linemen are alway's pulling on a pitch, or sweep play. counter has a misdirection to it.

Right, but I thought I saw some misdirection in there as well. Or I could have just been high from being so damn happy the entire game. :cheeky-sm

[illdefined]

thats right, the center stays. the third guy i guess is the back? i see Sellers in those counters sometimes too (the TD vs. the Cards)

[onlydarksets]

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

This play is designed for the offensive team to feign rushing one way, then attacking the defense in the opposite direction. In a counter trey right, the center, right guard, and right tackle block left as if the play is going left. The left guard and left tackle "pull" from their positions by moving behind the other linemen and around the right corner.

The running back takes an initial feint step to the left, then cuts back to the right, receives the handoff from the quarterback, and follows behind the pulling left guard and left tackle. The left guard and left tackle will usually be blocking smaller linebackers and defensive backs downfield--this mismatch favors the offense. The counter trey requires quick, athletic linemen for good execution.

Many teams have run this play, but it first became well-known when run by the Washington Redskins in the 1980s.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

I just wanted to say this is the type of game I've been waiting for for many years. All around it was a good game. I don't know if anyone else noticed but we ran Portis to his style of running alot more today


go skinssssssssss!!!
Hail2em

I totally agree about running the "Portis" type of plays and it going very well. However, I am concerned going forward because Thomas pulled on most of those tosses / outside runs and I am not sure if we can expect the same from Ray Brown. Don't get me wrong, Brown is as solid of a veteran as I would ever want to have backing up my line, but I am not sure he can perform (anymore) at the same sort of athletic level as Thomas.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by amorentz

I totally agree about running the "Portis" type of plays and it going very well. However, I am concerned going forward because Thomas pulled on most of those tosses / outside runs and I am not sure if we can expect the same from Ray Brown. Don't get me wrong, Brown is as solid of a veteran as I would ever want to have backing up my line, but I am not sure he can perform (anymore) at the same sort of athletic level as Thomas.

Gibbs loves Brown, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Molinaro in there giving him some rest, the word was he was knocking D-linemen 5 yards back off the line in practices in the pre-season, I remember hearing the guy is very powerful, at least we have some hopefully pretty good backups, I to would be concerned with Brown if he has to get out and run.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by amorentz

I totally agree about running the "Portis" type of plays and it going very well. However, I am concerned going forward because Thomas pulled on most of those tosses / outside runs and I am not sure if we can expect the same from Ray Brown. Don't get me wrong, Brown is as solid of a veteran as I would ever want to have backing up my line, but I am not sure he can perform (anymore) at the same sort of athletic level as Thomas.

yup. 42 year old linemen pulling like Thomas? unlikely. best solution is to use Sellers as lead blocker in those situations. he'd be good for the inside plays as well.