Parkland Shooting

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think you are confusing harmful and deadly.

Good luck mowing down a elementary school with a cheeseburger.

Plus your harmful list are things i choose or the user chooses to harm themselves with. Unless the user is using the AR 15 to kill themselves their "harmful/deadly" "need" only harms others that didn't choose to be harmed.

Way more people in this country die each year from obesity related illnesses than from gun deaths. I'd submit that all of those things can definitely be deadly.

A gun doesn't kill by itself. No inanimate object does. A gun by itself is neither harmful nor deadly. It just sits there until someone chooses to use it. There are somewhere between 10 to 20 million AR-15's owned in America. 99.99% of these guns never are used to kill anyone.

But, this is getting a bit of topic. I'm tapping out now, I have shared where I stand on the issue enough for the time being. I'll yield the last word to you, if you so choose to accept.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

A gun doesn't kill by itself. No inanimate object does. A gun by itself is neither harmful nor deadly. It just sits there until someone chooses to use it. There are somewhere between 10 to 20 million AR-15's owned in America. 99.99% of these guns never are used to kill anyone.

Tell that to the parents of school children who are killed at school, I'm sure that will make it all better.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Tell that to the parents of school children who are killed at school, I'm sure that will make it all better.

A gun doesn't kill by itself. No inanimate object does. A gun by itself is neither harmful nor deadly. It just sits there until someone chooses to use it. There are somewhere between 10 to 20 million AR-15's owned in America. 99.99% of these guns never are used to kill anyone.

The same could be said about rocks. There are trillions of them just laying around until i decide to smash one over someone's head.

I will agree there is probably too many rocks in the world to banned them but we surely can ban/restrict guns if we put our minds too it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Way more people in this country die each year from obesity related illnesses than from gun deaths. I'd submit that all of those things can definitely be deadly.

A gun doesn't kill by itself. No inanimate object does. A gun by itself is neither harmful nor deadly. It just sits there until someone chooses to use it. There are somewhere between 10 to 20 million AR-15's owned in America. 99.99% of these guns never are used to kill anyone.

But, this is getting a bit of topic. I'm tapping out now, I have shared where I stand on the issue enough for the time being. I'll yield the last word to you, if you so choose to accept.

I am not against guns or cheeseburgers in the right hands.

I am just not sure why anyone would need a AR 15 other then to fight a war, you can't hunt with it, it will completely tear up the pry you are hunting.

If we can just have anything, why are we not allowed chemical weapons and/ or tanks or a fighter jet.

IMO the AR 15 falls in the too much power for the average Joe who doesn't even need it so why not eliminate it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I am not against guns or cheeseburgers in the right hands.

I am just not sure why anyone would need a AR 15 other then to fight a war, you can't hunt with it, it will completely tear up the pry you are hunting.

If we can just have anything, why are we not allowed chemical weapons and/ or tanks or a fighter jet.

IMO the AR 15 falls in the too much power for the average Joe who doesn't even need it so why not eliminate it.

I agree with you and used an atomic bomb as an example and while it was spun it was never answered.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I agree with you and used an atomic bomb as an example and while it was spun it was never answered.

If the argument is that if your not for banning Americans from having atomic bombs, then the government can also ban Americans from owning any weapon, including certain guns, that they deem un-needed, then I support the right to own an atomic bomb if you can buy it, store it, defend it, maintain it, and ever other "...it" that goes into having a bomb. There is your answer.

Let me know when the Atomic Bomb store opens. I wonder if Amazon will deliver those.

We should unconstitutionally ban AR-15's (or any gun) because of atomic bombs is not a valid argument imo.

Note - It would be bad ass to own a tank or a fighter jet. Alas, I don't think I'll ever have the funds or the resources to own such things.

Now I'm done lol.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If the argument is that if your not for banning Americans from having atomic bombs, then the government can also ban Americans from owning any weapon, including certain guns, that they deem un-needed, then I support the right to own an atomic bomb if you can buy it, store it, defend it, maintain it, and ever other "...it" that goes into having a bomb. There is your answer.

Let me know when the Atomic Bomb store opens. I wonder if Amazon will deliver those.

We should unconstitutionally ban AR-15's (or any gun) because of atomic bombs is not a valid argument imo.

Note - It would be bad ass to own a tank or a fighter jet. Alas, I don't think I'll ever have the funds or the resources to own such things.

Now I'm done lol.

So why own a AR 15 i am looking for a valid reason?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

So why own a AR 15 i am looking for a valid reason?

Because we're America and we can do what we want.

Unless we're talking about abortion of course, then it's a different ball game.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because we're America and we can do what we want.

Unless we're talking about abortion of course, then it's a different ball game.

Makes perfect sense, thank you

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I am not against guns or cheeseburgers in the right hands.

I am just not sure why anyone would need a AR 15 other then to fight a war, you can't hunt with it, it will completely tear up the pry you are hunting.

If we can just have anything, why are we not allowed chemical weapons and/ or tanks or a fighter jet.

IMO the AR 15 falls in the too much power for the average Joe who doesn't even need it so why not eliminate it.

Nope. They are perfectly fine for hunting. They are no more powerful than other semiautomatic hunting rifles with the same caliber, and even less powerful than say a 30.06 or .300 which are commonly used to hunt big game.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Nope. They are perfectly fine for hunting. They are no more powerful than other semiautomatic hunting rifles with the same caliber, and even less powerful than say a 30.06 or .300 which are commonly used to hunt big game.

or just use a bow and arrow

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mredskins

or just use a bow and arrow

Or Black powder, shotgun. A Bow or these take skill as a Hunter but we are to believe that spraying 25 bullets a min is more sporting.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Nope. They are perfectly fine for hunting. They are no more powerful than other semiautomatic hunting rifles with the same caliber, and even less powerful than say a 30.06 or .300 which are commonly used to hunt big game.

I know a couple dozen hunters and not one hunts with an AR-15. Not animals anyway.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I know a couple dozen hunters and not one hunts with an AR-15 .

I think he is referring to big game but sounds like you can use it for normal hunting as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiqaDjmlpw

Kind of a good watch my gun knowledge is limited to video games.


Call me crazy but when i see/hear stories of grade school children getting torn up and the wake of devastation it leaves, i have a knee jerk reaction to band anything and anyone who caused such immense pain.

I also believe even with my limited knowledge the AR 15 certainly helped increase the body counts in these shootings.

Just something has to be done to stop this. It boils down in my mind to the amount guns out there and the lack of mental health care in this country.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think he is referring to big game but sounds like you can use it for normal hunting as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiqaDjmlpw

Kind of a good watch my gun knowledge is limited to video games.


Call me crazy but when i see/hear stories of grade school children getting torn up and the wake of devastation it leaves, i have a knee jerk reaction to band anything and anyone who caused such immense pain.

I also believe even with my limited knowledge the AR 15 certainly helped increase the body counts in these shootings.

Just something has to be done to stop this. It boils down in my mind to the amount guns out there and the lack of mental health care in this country.

We agree but the gun nuts won't allow any change. As we speak there are States relaxing gun regulations......actually making it easier not harder to buy guns. No Child should have to go to school under arm guard but that is the answer from the gun lobby more guns. Their answer to everything is more guns.