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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not the whole story? Bro, this is common knowledge and even by Obama said Joe said it…you trying to recast and gaslight using fake fact check ain’t helping.

Try again, here even Obama states Joe told him not to go:

In 2012 Biden said he told Obama not to launch raid on compound
In January 2012 at a Democratic congressional retreat, Biden recounted how Obama asked senior officials whether they should go ahead with the raid. Everyone in the room "hedged their bet" except CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said "go."

"Mr. President, my suggestion is, don't go," Biden recounted. "‘We have to do two more things to see if he's there." (He did not explain what the two additional things were at the time.)

(When a reporter asked White House spokesman Jay Carney in 2012 about Biden’s comments stating he was against the raid, Carney said: "I know that he is speaking accurately.")

In May 2012 on NBC’s Meet the Press, Biden said he told Obama "follow your instincts."

"I wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there," Biden said.

Obama’s statement during a debate in 2012 supported the idea that Biden was critical about the raid proposal. Obama said that "even some in my own party, including my current vice president," critiqued the proposed raid.

trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.

So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.

#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

chico, again I will give you more attention then you deserve . You're wrong.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

This entire argument strikes me as dumb as fuck. You guys want things to be so black and white.

Why couldn't Joe Biden be against the plan in the beginning and then gradually be persuaded it was for the best (or at least his mind was changed when he realized it was gonna happen with or without his approval)?

Obviously Obama came out and said Biden was against it. But that doesn't mean the night of the raid Biden was pouting in the corner - who's to say he wasn't swayed by the argument that a 60% shot of killing Bin Laden was the best odds they're ever gonna get?

Sometimes it feels like you guys forget you're talking about people, where opinions and feelings can change by the minute. Or maybe you forget because these are career politicians in a political climate where both sides are very dug in - having an open mind means being open to new ideas and your stance changing when new info comes available.