Roy Williams = dirty tackler

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

While the tackle has always been around and legal it hasn't been prevalent and that would lead me to believe that it was sorta of an unspoken rule that it wasn't kosher and one better not try it without conisdering the likelyhood of getting one's ass handed to them in short order. I am just guessing but there are a bunch of things like this and I think it needs to move back into the the player policed rules. I consider it dirty to tackle a guy in a way that you know is very likely to cause significant injury regardless of the tackled player's ability to withstand hits. Hitting a guy at full speed head on is part of the game. The player tackling and the player being tackled take on risk and there is a good chance that no one gets hurt or that the tackler gets hurt. When you are chop blocking or horse collaring you taking no risk as a tackler and putting the other player in a very dangerous position where they could be seriously injured. Thats dirty.

I totally agree that it's a shady way to tackle - my point on Roy not being a dirty player was that it WAS within the rules in seasons PAST. He's obviously made a living at tackling like that since he still habitually collars somebody every game, and I believe he should be called on it now.

The tackle of Rock Cartwright after his 50+ yard run against the Rams was one of the most blatant horse collars I've seen - officials just aren't enforcing the rule with any common sense. The NFL should do the right thing and ban any grabbing of the shirt collar and using your weight to halt a player in his tracks. This fallback that the tackler has to be under the pads and pulling the runner backward is B.S., as if a ref can tell the difference between shirt collar and pads at game speed.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Exactly this is what I was going to post according to the rule those both things need to happen and neither happend Williams grab the Jersey and didn't immediately yank Portis he ran a few yards before being tackle.

And NO it hasn't been called all season long after players new what needed to happen they just changed they why they do the tackle by doing it like Roy Williams did, and yes this type of Tackle has existed for as long as I can remmember.

It's just that now we all put more attention to it because of the rule

[skindogger47]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

That guy lives a lie. Every week he has to squirm out of admitting a bad call, often by saying that he disagrees with the rule. It is absolutely ridiculous that this is all the scrutiny the referees have to face--a guy who isn't even a ref taking the heat for the bad calls. It seems that every rule in the NFL has a loophole and can be interpreted in a way to make the refs unaccountable. Like "the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down." So, if he holds on for 2 seconds, then pulls down and breaks a guy's leg, it's okay then? I hate the sorry state of officiating in today's NFL, and can't bring myself to watch that snake try to explain all of the **** ups that cost millions of dollars to owners, players, and gamblers on a weekly basis. Might as well be watching boxing. If the Champ don't get knocked out, the Champ wins the decision.

[Big C]

i also noticed that almost every tackle roy williams makes is from behind. he is a dirty player, whether that exact style of pulling him down is illegal or not. it can seriously hurt someone, and we are lucky that portis' legs didnt get caught under him.

[dmek25]

i saw this called once this season.what happened sunday was called correctly because by rule,portis was not pulled down by his PADS.i for one,think this rule is ridiculous and just want football to be football.by the way,we need to move on to the BIGGEST GAME of the year,which happens saturday in our own back yard.if we win saturday,i will be making a trip down 95 to see the skins wrap up the division in philly(our home away from home)

[saden1]

I would have like to have seen Gibbs tell Sean Taylor to line up on offense and lay the smack-down on Williams.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would have like to have seen Gibbs tell Sean Taylor to line up on offense and lay the smack-down on Williams.

Great minds think alike.

[FRPLG]

Maybe Sean Taylor can teach Roy Williams how to actually tackle someone in a non-bush league style. You see he likes to hit people at full speed not wait until they get by him so he can pull them down like a little girl. Its a punk-ass tackle technique and thats why the league banned it. Whether the play in question follows the strict interpretation or not it violated the spirit of the rule. I for one would rather see them them not ban certain types of tackles but rather let the players police it. As in Sean Taylor would have gone in on the next offensive play and ended Roy Williams game by knocking his bitch ass out.

That'll be the only venom I spew towards the Cowboys as I don't like trash talking too much. But I dislike Roy Williams and his overrated ass even more. Karma is a bitch.

[Paintrain]

I expect a revised rule next year that states that grabbing any part of the jersey or inside the pads and yanking a player down will result in a penalty. As for the way the rule is written, it was the right call.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Maybe Sean Taylor can teach Roy Williams how to actually tackle someone in a non-bush league style. You see he likes to hit people at full speed not wait until they get by him so he can pull them down like a little girl. Its a punk-ass tackle technique and thats why the league banned it. Whether the play in question follows the strict interpretation or not it violated the spirit of the rule. I for one would rather see them them not ban certain types of tackles but rather let the players police it. As in Sean Taylor would have gone in on the next offensive play and ended Roy Williams game by knocking his bitch ass out.

That'll be the only venom I spew towards the Cowboys as I don't like trash talking too much. But I dislike Roy Williams and his overrated ass even more. Karma is a bitch.

Your post is almost identical to mine, and I was thinking of Sean Taylor when I referred to tackling the old fashioned way. It will be a joke if Roy Williams makes the Pro Bowl over Taylor again this year. His piss poor coverage ability opened the door for Brunell to Moss to steal the first game in Dallas.

[scowan]

Changing the subject a little bit, did Ladell Betts' hit on was is Newman? on that sweep where he ran over him get put on Jacked Up! That hit by Betts was awesome!! Forget the Horse Collar, Newman was Stampeeded!!!!

[saskin]

That's the only way Williams can tackle....cause I was watching the game again and the only tackles Williams can make are horse collar ones. And if Williams wouldn't have horse collared him.....would've been 6 pts for us.

I heard somewhere that they're gonna change the rule so that it's more strict.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by scowan

Changing the subject a little bit, did Ladell Betts' hit on was is Newman? on that sweep where he ran over him get put on Jacked Up! That hit by Betts was awesome!! Forget the Horse Collar, Newman was Stampeeded!!!!

Yes it was Newman. He was also the one that Cooley "rolled" over on his way to the endzone for his 3rd TD.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Yes it was Newman. He was also the one that Cooley "rolled" over on his way to the endzone for his 3rd TD.

Anyone see Parcells giving the stare to Newman after that play? All I could imagine was him saying "Newman" in that disgusted Seinfeld way. Makes me laugh even now.

[hooskins]

all the tackles that Roy did during the Skins game were legal, because he didnt grab the pads, but I still think its a dirty move, like pulling the chair in basketball, it is legal but its dirty and this can cause injury.