Roy Williams = dirty tackler

[cpayne5]

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Yes! That would have been even better!

[giacomo2]

this is just another rule that the redskins never get. if we would've done that....they probably would suspend the player. what i like is the bs reasons why they do not call the penalty, example:on monday night against the cowbitches, brunnell was horse collared, and john gay madden said the rule didn't apply to qb's. in the preseason, when a redskin got horse-collared, the anouncer said the rule only applied to the quarterback. how about the clothes-line on ramsey the first game? where was the penalty? or fine? let's face it, the redskins team is called differently, and i think it really sucks.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Would you have wanted to?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Yes it was called correctly, I'm just debating as to whether the rule needs to be revised.

I'm concerned about seeing our franchise back being injured by a shady tackle, that's all.

Whatever happened to going for the legs or wrapping up a guy, Williams is constantly dragging people down by the collar.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Exactly right,

as the rule is currently written, it was not a penalty. He didn't even bend him backwards, he bent him sideways.

Whatever, did you want to win by 42 points?

Roy Williams should try tackling the old fashioned way - by hitting and wrapping. Whether he actually grabbed the back of the shoulder pads is a moot point. The guy ALWAYS seems to be reaching for the back of the jersey collar, and had two such tackles against Tiki Barber last month at the Meadowlands. On the first, he pulled up a little, because he sensed a flag would have come had he dragged Tiki down immediately. It had always been within the rules to tackle that way, so I don't consider Williams a dirty player. That said, I see him as unsound fundamentally if he's constantly out of position to make a clean hit, and has to resort to grabbing the collar.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

It had always been within the rules to tackle that way, so I don't consider Williams a dirty player.

While the tackle has always been around and legal it hasn't been prevalent and that would lead me to believe that it was sorta of an unspoken rule that it wasn't kosher and one better not try it without conisdering the likelyhood of getting one's ass handed to them in short order. I am just guessing but there are a bunch of things like this and I think it needs to move back into the the player policed rules. I consider it dirty to tackle a guy in a way that you know is very likely to cause significant injury regardless of the tackled player's ability to withstand hits. Hitting a guy at full speed head on is part of the game. The player tackling and the player being tackled take on risk and there is a good chance that no one gets hurt or that the tackler gets hurt. When you are chop blocking or horse collaring you taking no risk as a tackler and putting the other player in a very dangerous position where they could be seriously injured. Thats dirty.

[djnemo65]

Maybe we should give Roy a break. I mean, its hard having to always tackle from behind after getting burnt...

[backrow]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Maybe we should give Roy a break. I mean, its hard having to always tackle from behind after getting burnt...

Great minds think alike!

Roy's nickname should be "Toast"

Newman's "Jelly" 'cause he got "rolled"!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

While the tackle has always been around and legal it hasn't been prevalent and that would lead me to believe that it was sorta of an unspoken rule that it wasn't kosher and one better not try it without conisdering the likelyhood of getting one's ass handed to them in short order. I am just guessing but there are a bunch of things like this and I think it needs to move back into the the player policed rules. I consider it dirty to tackle a guy in a way that you know is very likely to cause significant injury regardless of the tackled player's ability to withstand hits. Hitting a guy at full speed head on is part of the game. The player tackling and the player being tackled take on risk and there is a good chance that no one gets hurt or that the tackler gets hurt. When you are chop blocking or horse collaring you taking no risk as a tackler and putting the other player in a very dangerous position where they could be seriously injured. Thats dirty.

I totally agree that it's a shady way to tackle - my point on Roy not being a dirty player was that it WAS within the rules in seasons PAST. He's obviously made a living at tackling like that since he still habitually collars somebody every game, and I believe he should be called on it now.

The tackle of Rock Cartwright after his 50+ yard run against the Rams was one of the most blatant horse collars I've seen - officials just aren't enforcing the rule with any common sense. The NFL should do the right thing and ban any grabbing of the shirt collar and using your weight to halt a player in his tracks. This fallback that the tackler has to be under the pads and pulling the runner backward is B.S., as if a ref can tell the difference between shirt collar and pads at game speed.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

Exactly this is what I was going to post according to the rule those both things need to happen and neither happend Williams grab the Jersey and didn't immediately yank Portis he ran a few yards before being tackle.

And NO it hasn't been called all season long after players new what needed to happen they just changed they why they do the tackle by doing it like Roy Williams did, and yes this type of Tackle has existed for as long as I can remmember.

It's just that now we all put more attention to it because of the rule

[skindogger47]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I saw a segment with Mike Pereira (NFL's head of officiating), and he explained the rule.

Two things have to happen for a flag to be thrown.
* the defender gets his hand inside of the pads
* the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down

That tackle on Portis literally happened right in front of me and I was screaming and yelling for a flag to be thrown, but the way the rule reads, it was the correct call, I'm affraid.

That guy lives a lie. Every week he has to squirm out of admitting a bad call, often by saying that he disagrees with the rule. It is absolutely ridiculous that this is all the scrutiny the referees have to face--a guy who isn't even a ref taking the heat for the bad calls. It seems that every rule in the NFL has a loophole and can be interpreted in a way to make the refs unaccountable. Like "the defender immediately yanks the offensive player down." So, if he holds on for 2 seconds, then pulls down and breaks a guy's leg, it's okay then? I hate the sorry state of officiating in today's NFL, and can't bring myself to watch that snake try to explain all of the **** ups that cost millions of dollars to owners, players, and gamblers on a weekly basis. Might as well be watching boxing. If the Champ don't get knocked out, the Champ wins the decision.