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[sdskinsfan2001]

Just saw the game recap highlights. Heinicke made a couple big time 4th down plays.

[punch it in]

Something has to be done about Turner before next week. I don’t know what but something. Him and Ron are such glaring problems. It is unbelievable we have won three in a row. Could easily be three losses and they would all fall squarely on them both.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Something has to be done about Turner before next week. I don’t know what but something. Him and Ron are such glaring problems. It is unbelievable we have won three in a row. Could easily be three losses and they would all fall squarely on them both.

Our defense has vastly improved so props to JDR..

The Offense is BAD... VERY BAD.

We have the weapons too, yeah the QB is limited but Turner isn't getting the job done.

There is no way we hold MINN under 20 points, we better score 28 if we wanna win

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Our defense has vastly improved so props to JDR..

The Offense is BAD... VERY BAD.

We have the weapons too, yeah the QB is limited but Turner isn't getting the job done.

There is no way we hold MINN under 20 points, we better score 28 if we wanna win

One thing I noticed is the lack of TE usage, Rogers is a weapon you must use. Hopefully Turner, Brown, Dotson come back next week. Turner needs to get the TE’s involved.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Something has to be done about Turner before next week. I don’t know what but something. Him and Ron are such glaring problems. It is unbelievable we have won three in a row. Could easily be three losses and they would all fall squarely on them both.

They're just not good coaches. The stuff at the end of the half is just so pathetic.

[skinsfan69]

We don't win the game yesterday w/out TH. Wentz would have taken too many drive killing sacks. I'm leaving TH in until the team is out of playoff contention. Once they're out then I'm starting Howell.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We don't win the game yesterday w/out TH. Wentz would have taken too many drive killing sacks. I'm leaving TH in until the team is out of playoff contention. Once they're out then I'm starting Howell.

Agree 100

You can't build a team around TH but he is fun to watch at times.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We don't win the game yesterday w/out TH. Wentz would have taken too many drive killing sacks. I'm leaving TH in until the team is out of playoff contention. Once they're out then I'm starting Howell.

This is what I want to see also. Roll with Heinicke as long as possible and then get Howell some playing time and experience. Still a cool victory yesterday on the road. Will gladly take it.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

This is what I want to see also. Roll with Heinicke as long as possible and then get Howell some playing time and experience. Still a cool victory yesterday on the road. Will gladly take it.

This is what I'm hoping as well. I don't see more than 2 or 3 more wins...and NO ONE wants to see Wentz back out there, including the players. End the season seeing what you have in Howell, and then in the offseason, fire all the coaches, draft a QB if you need to, and oh yeah...get rid of that owner too.

[SunnySide]

O line - played well but Colts didnt bring pressure and dont have any elite rushers.

Del Rio - credit for turning things around, for adjusting but playing the titans/bears/packers/colts offense makes it easier

Antonio Gibson - the availability factor is huge, the guy shows up and does whats asked. Hes being used very efficiently by Turner

Heinike - he limits our playcalling but it seems to play to our strengths ... designed dumpoffs to the backs, short pitch and catch west coast get the ball to playmakers quickly and in space. Some big time throws on the last drive.

McCain - had a good game, great 1Q

Allen - beast

Terry - beast

st juste - playing well for the most part

TEs - really need to get logan thomas/armani rodgers involved. If thomas isnt healthy then sit him. Really surprised we havent utilized our TEs all year, thought they would be a big part of things.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

O line - played well but Colts didnt bring pressure and dont have any elite rushers.

Del Rio - credit for turning things around, for adjusting but playing the titans/bears/packers/colts offense makes it easier

Antonio Gibson - the availability factor is huge, the guy shows up and does whats asked. Hes being used very efficiently by Turner

Heinike - he limits our playcalling but it seems to play to our strengths ... designed dumpoffs to the backs, short pitch and catch west coast get the ball to playmakers quickly and in space. Some big time throws on the last drive.

McCain - had a good game, great 1Q

Allen - beast

Terry - beast

st juste - playing well for the most part

TEs - really need to get logan thomas/armani rodgers involved. If thomas isnt healthy then sit him. Really surprised we havent utilized our TEs all year, thought they would be a big part of things.

One big issue of D is, teams are successfully running to the edges and I see no adjustments there. We’ve been getting gashed over and over. If they don’t adjust, teams like the eagles and 49ers will have a field day.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

O line - played well but Colts didnt bring pressure and dont have any elite rushers.

Del Rio - credit for turning things around, for adjusting but playing the titans/bears/packers/colts offense makes it easier

Antonio Gibson - the availability factor is huge, the guy shows up and does whats asked. Hes being used very efficiently by Turner

Heinike - he limits our playcalling but it seems to play to our strengths ... designed dumpoffs to the backs, short pitch and catch west coast get the ball to playmakers quickly and in space. Some big time throws on the last drive.

McCain - had a good game, great 1Q

Allen - beast

Terry - beast

st juste - playing well for the most part

TEs - really need to get logan thomas/armani rodgers involved. If thomas isnt healthy then sit him. Really surprised we havent utilized our TEs all year, thought they would be a big part of things.

Not elite but Deforest Buckner and Yannick Ngakoue ain't jags either. I thought it was very encouraging to finally see the Oline back to where we thought they were early on.

[BaltimoreSkins]

TH had ice in his veins the last 5 minutes. His int was awful and he has poor game IQ but really like him when the game is on the line at the end.

Terry what more can you say? I saw in game day thread about people glad Terry is being targeted again, but his target numbers between TH and CW are nearly identical he is just making more plays now. Credit him improving his seperation between defenders, more confidence in TH at QB but it is nice to have him back.

Gibson only played in about third of offensive snaps. Unacceptable. He is most dynamic player we have. Over his career when he is over 50% of offensive plays we average over 22 points. When it is less it is around 12 points. If they aren't going to use him then i would move him and get something for him, but I'd prefer if they used him.

Samuel two money 4th down plays.

Davis, Payne, and Allen great. Payne and Allen both play 3 tech and we have had the debate a plenty about Payne's future here. I see him walking because when Mathis returns and plays 1 tech you will probably have Mathis and Allen out there. A 3 tech of Payne is starting caliber. I'd get what I can for him if he isn't going to resign with the team. Mayhew should be having these conversations with Payne's people two weeks ago.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

TH had ice in his veins the last 5 minutes. His int was awful and he has poor game IQ but really like him when the game is on the line at the end.

Terry what more can you say? I saw in game day thread about people glad Terry is being targeted again, but his target numbers between TH and CW are nearly identical he is just making more plays now. Credit him improving his seperation between defenders, more confidence in TH at QB but it is nice to have him back.

Gibson only played in about third of offensive snaps. Unacceptable. He is most dynamic player we have. Over his career when he is over 50% of offensive plays we average over 22 points. When it is less it is around 12 points. If they aren't going to use him then i would move him and get something for him, but I'd prefer if they used him.

Samuel two money 4th down plays.

Davis, Payne, and Allen great. Payne and Allen both play 3 tech and we have had the debate a plenty about Payne's future here. I see him walking because when Mathis returns and plays 1 tech you will probably have Mathis and Allen out there. A 3 tech of Payne is starting caliber. I'd get what I can for him if he isn't going to resign with the team. Mayhew should be having these conversations with Payne's people two weeks ago.

There is no way you trade AG, He's been a STEAL for us and has cleaned up the fumbles this yr. He does it all too.

Terry is just a special player and what makes him so great is he's ALWAYS HEALTHY. That is rare in today's league

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

TH had ice in his veins the last 5 minutes. His int was awful and he has poor game IQ but really like him when the game is on the line at the end.

Terry what more can you say? I saw in game day thread about people glad Terry is being targeted again, but his target numbers between TH and CW are nearly identical he is just making more plays now. Credit him improving his seperation between defenders, more confidence in TH at QB but it is nice to have him back.

Gibson only played in about third of offensive snaps. Unacceptable. He is most dynamic player we have. Over his career when he is over 50% of offensive plays we average over 22 points. When it is less it is around 12 points. If they aren't going to use him then i would move him and get something for him, but I'd prefer if they used him.

Samuel two money 4th down plays.

Davis, Payne, and Allen great. Payne and Allen both play 3 tech and we have had the debate a plenty about Payne's future here. I see him walking because when Mathis returns and plays 1 tech you will probably have Mathis and Allen out there. A 3 tech of Payne is starting caliber. I'd get what I can for him if he isn't going to resign with the team. Mayhew should be having these conversations with Payne's people two weeks ago.

You say things like "get something for him" about Gibson and "I'd get what I can for him" about Payne, as if taking less than their value to us is OK. It's not OK with me. Gibson hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Payne is a stud. What about next season? We might be able to make a run next season but we won't if we keep tossing away our stars before we have enough player development, draft classes and FA additions to fill all of the holes. We need to go for it sometime. So, I'm on the other side of the fence from you on this particular issue. I think Gibson needs to stay here and continue to be a touchdown machine and, if necessary, Payne needs to be tagged - but only once. We'll have more cap room next season because Wentz will be gone.