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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

TH had ice in his veins the last 5 minutes. His int was awful and he has poor game IQ but really like him when the game is on the line at the end.

Terry what more can you say? I saw in game day thread about people glad Terry is being targeted again, but his target numbers between TH and CW are nearly identical he is just making more plays now. Credit him improving his seperation between defenders, more confidence in TH at QB but it is nice to have him back.

Gibson only played in about third of offensive snaps. Unacceptable. He is most dynamic player we have. Over his career when he is over 50% of offensive plays we average over 22 points. When it is less it is around 12 points. If they aren't going to use him then i would move him and get something for him, but I'd prefer if they used him.

Samuel two money 4th down plays.

Davis, Payne, and Allen great. Payne and Allen both play 3 tech and we have had the debate a plenty about Payne's future here. I see him walking because when Mathis returns and plays 1 tech you will probably have Mathis and Allen out there. A 3 tech of Payne is starting caliber. I'd get what I can for him if he isn't going to resign with the team. Mayhew should be having these conversations with Payne's people two weeks ago.

You say things like "get something for him" about Gibson and "I'd get what I can for him" about Payne, as if taking less than their value to us is OK. It's not OK with me. Gibson hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Payne is a stud. What about next season? We might be able to make a run next season but we won't if we keep tossing away our stars before we have enough player development, draft classes and FA additions to fill all of the holes. We need to go for it sometime. So, I'm on the other side of the fence from you on this particular issue. I think Gibson needs to stay here and continue to be a touchdown machine and, if necessary, Payne needs to be tagged - but only once. We'll have more cap room next season because Wentz will be gone.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You say things like "get something for him" about Gibson and "I'd get what I can for him" about Payne, as if taking less than their value to us is OK. It's not OK with me. Gibson hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Payne is a stud. What about next season? We might be able to make a run next season but we won't if we keep tossing away our stars before we have enough player development, draft classes and FA additions to fill all of the holes. We need to go for it sometime. So, I'm on the other side of the fence from you on this particular issue. I think Gibson needs to stay here and continue to be a touchdown machine and, if necessary, Payne needs to be tagged - but only once. We'll have more cap room next season because Wentz will be gone.

I said I'd keep Gibson but Turner isn't using him. I'd prefer if we kept him and used him but lets be honest if we continue not using him he will leave. With Payne if we already have Allen I don't necessarily view Payne as redundant but I think with the drafting of Mathis they are looking for variety of technique on the line. If we can get draft capital for him and them use that money to improve LB position I'd be okay with it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I said I'd keep Gibson but Turner isn't using him. I'd prefer if we kept him and used him but lets be honest if we continue not using him he will leave. With Payne if we already have Allen I don't necessarily view Payne as redundant but I think with the drafting of Mathis they are looking for variety of technique on the line. If we can get draft capital for him and them use that money to improve LB position I'd be okay with it.

I think I understand your position but I think we need them for at least one more season.