Pro Bowl Bound - Samuels, Moss

MTK · 12-22-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

If the Pro Bowl is supposed to be based purely on statistics, then you can make an argument that he is not as good as some of the other quarterbacks in the NFC. But I thought the only stat that matters in football is wins, which is what Vick does, win games. He is one of the few players in the league that can change a game, almost completely by himself.

Vick's record as a starter is 33-21-1 since 2001. Atlanta's record without him is 9-18. So it would seem he's not quite as overrated as some people think.

Bledsoe and Brunell both have 8 wins this year just like Vick.

Vick = overrated name.

Southpaw · 12-22-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bledsoe and Brunell both have 8 wins this year just like Vick.

Vick = overrated name.

If Vick had Bledsoe's receivers or Washington's defense, he'd have more than eight wins.

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Originally Posted by TheMalcomConnection

Yes, his presence in the game DOES make his teammates better, but what is up with everyone defending him for the Pro Bowl this year?

I'm not actually defending him for the Pro Bowl, I'm just giving reasons why I can understand he was picked. You guys seem to forget that it's not just fans that pick the Pro Bowl, which is very apparent from the fact that Cooley didn't make it, in spite of being far and away the fan favorite. So obviously his peers and the coaches think he's worthy too.

Coaches gameplan for Vick and are always attempting to keep him contained. I highly doubt any coach in the league is saying to himself before a Dallas game, "How are we going to stop Bledsoe?".

ST21 · 12-22-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Vick had Bledsoe's receivers or Washington's defense, he'd have more than eight wins.

I'm not actually defending him for the Pro Bowl, I'm just giving reasons why I can understand he was picked. You guys seem to forget that it's not just fans that pick the Pro Bowl, which is very apparent from the fact that Cooley didn't make it, in spite of being far and away the fan favorite. So obviously his peers and the coaches think he's worthy too.

Coaches gameplan for Vick and are always attempting to keep him contained. I highly doubt any coach in the league is saying to himself before a Dallas game, "How are we going to stop Bledsoe?".

Finally, Reason and Logic, Listen Ladies dont get it twisted (black terminology) I'm a Redskin fan...first, but this Idea that every QB has to stand in the pocket to be consider a regular QB is crazy, black or white, good is good and bad is bad, and Vick # don't state he should be there, but he does as much for his team as Peyton Manning..... Now everyone says I use race, and sometimes I do, because I can feel the hate for this one paticular QB, all you critics do are critize him,..... Respect what he can do, and give him time to grow, as far as I'm concerned....not just fans voted him in, and I didn't either...I voted for Brunell, Bled-hoe and Hasslebeck.....but this weekend I watch Peyton, look dazed and confused, and when he couldn't throw the ball those athletic abilitys didn't workout for him...........

cpayne5 · 12-22-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wewhite3

Finally, Reason and Logic, Listen Ladies dont get it twisted (black terminology) I'm a Redskin fan...first, but this Idea that every QB has to stand in the pocket to be consider a regular QB is crazy, black or white, good is good and bad is bad, and Vick # don't state he should be there, but he does as much for his team as Peyton Manning..... Now everyone says I use race, and sometimes I do, because I can feel the hate for this one paticular QB, all you critics do are critize him,..... Respect what he can do, and give him time to grow, as far as I'm concerned....not just fans voted him in, and I didn't either...I voted for Brunell, Bled-hoe and Hasslebeck.....but I watch Peyton, look dazed and confused, and when he did try to use those athletic abilitys to get out of the pocket............

If he still needs time to grow, how is he worthy of a Pro Bowl nod?

SmootSmack · 12-22-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

If he still needs time to grow, how is he worthy of a Pro Bowl nod?

EXACTLY!! Thank you Payne the Brain! And really has he grown much? I don't know if he's a better QB than he was when he entered the league.

And wewhite, why'd you vote for Hasselbeck and not Vick if just a few posts ago you called Hass overrated and you've gone so far as to change your avatar to a Falcons helmet in Vick's defense?

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-22-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

EXACTLY!! Thank you Payne the Brain! And really has he grown much? I don't know if he's a better QB than he was when he entered the league.

And wewhite, why'd you vote for Hasselbeck and not Vick if just a few posts ago you called Hass overrated and you've gone so far as to change your avatar to a Falcons helmet in Vick's defense?

I'm SO not down with people picking due to race. We're ALL humans here, that's when you look at the stats and Vick just didn't have them.