Commanders 2023 Off-Season Thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

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Came here to post this. Ron is done for. He's a lame duck coach just keeping the seat warm for when the new owner takes over.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Came here to post this. Ron is done for. He's a lame duck coach just keeping the seat warm for when the new owner takes over.

Maybe. I definitely don't see a change before the season starts; and if they are competitive enough, or happen to make the playoffs, or win the Division, RR isn't going anywhere.

Whoever that supposed potential owner was, who knows if he/they will even be the new owner. If so, S Payton's not available anymore. Just sounds like someone simply doing their due diligence, putting out their feelers...if it's true.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Maybe. I definitely don't see a change before the season starts; and if they are competitive enough, or happen to make the playoffs, or win the Division, RR isn't going anywhere.

Whoever that supposed potential owner was, who knows if he/they will even be the new owner. If so, S Payton's not available anymore. Just sounds like someone simply doing their due diligence, putting out their feelers...if it's true.

If Ron made the playoffs/won the division/broke our 20 year drought of winning 11 or more games and the new owner still fired him because he didn't like him - I would really have to question the wisdom of the new owner.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

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LOL, holy shit!

[mooby]

I see Josh Harris toured the Commies practice facility the other week - per The Athletic.

Guess he's still in the mix.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Daron Payne in contract negotiation with Commanders

https://clutchpoints.com/commanders-...-star-defender

[jamf]

That’s a really over simplified look at things.
Ron just isn’t a winning coach.
He’s never had back to back winning seasons even with a MVP at QB.

He just isn’t the guy.

Btw Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season in 16 years.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by jamf

That’s a really over simplified look at things.
Ron just isn’t a winning coach.
He’s never had back to back winning seasons even with a MVP at QB.

He just isn’t the guy.

Btw Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season in 16 years.

Ron is, by all standards, just an absolutely awful HC. The guy is very fortunate to have been employed as one for all these years.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ron is, by all standards, just an absolutely awful HC. The guy is very fortunate to have been employed as one for all these years.

Rons a good Head Coach imo but hes a leader of men type, not an Xs and Os.

Needs a good OC, DC and QB.

Fans can shit on Ron ... but 8-8-1 this year was a pretty damn good job all things considered

[punch it in]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-slowik-new-oc

Texans putting together a nice staff while we are in purgatory with the entire staff. They know their days are numbered.

I really wanted Slowik. Hurry up with the sale already.

[Chief X_Phackter]

The teams (and coaches) that struggle to win, or have back to back winning seasons, are the teams (and coaches) who have been unable to find a better than average QB, or get better than average play from their QB. The QB makes all the difference.

Ron had Cam Newton for nine seasons. Three of those seasons he had injury issues. They went to the playoffs four times. The other two seasons were his first two years on the league.

Ultimately Ron's W/L record isn't that great, and he has to own it. I just think it's too easy to call him a bad coach by looking at just the record, and not taking into account everything that contributed to that, or acknowledging the great seasons he was able to put together when he had the pieces, and a good healthy QB.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

The teams (and coaches) that struggle to win, or have back to back winning seasons, are the teams (and coaches) who have been unable to find a better than average QB, or get better than average play from their QB. The QB makes all the difference.

Ron had Cam Newton for nine seasons. Three of those seasons he had injury issues. They went to the playoffs four times. The other two seasons were his first two years on the league.

Ultimately Ron's W/L record isn't that great, and he has to own it. I just think it's too easy to call him a bad coach by looking at just the record, and not taking into account everything that contributed to that, or acknowledging the great seasons he was able to put together when he had the pieces, and a good healthy QB.

9 out of 12 seasons losing records. Well 8-1/2 or whatever. Hasn’t had a winning season in 6 years? Thats all i gotta know. Every HC has obstacles. Most do not get passes for as long as he has Chief.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

9 out of 12 seasons losing records. Well 8-1/2 or whatever. Hasn’t had a winning season in 6 years? Thats all i gotta know. Every HC has obstacles. Most do not get passes for as long as he has Chief.

I totally get what you are saying. I don't necessarily disagree, like I said he has to own his record. All I am saying is, name me an NFL head coach with a consistently good W/L record, who didn't also have consistently great quarterback play for that time period. They go hand in hand.

Look at Bill Bellichick & Sean Payton after losing their Hall of Famer QBs.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I totally get what you are saying. I don't necessarily disagree, like I said he has to own his record. All I am saying is, name me an NFL head coach with a consistently good W/L record, who didn't also have consistently great quarterback play for that time period. They go hand in hand.

Look at Bill Bellichick & Sean Payton after losing their Hall of Famer QBs.

BB is probably the best defensive schemer of all time. Payton probably had as much to do with Brees as Brees did. Great coaches always bring something to the table. My problem with Ron is I’m not sure what he brings.
He isn’t great with personnel. He certainly isn’t great with time management. He just isn’t a good in game coach period. He isn’t even good with the press. Throws people under the bus constantly. I just feel like he is there collecting a check because he is well liked and a good dude. I don’t know. I still hope he is shit canned before next year once the sale is finalized. I know he won’t be but I hope he is.

Forget having a great quarterback that makes you look good for a second, I get that. What does Ron do well other than being a nice guy? I think any success we have on D is 100 percent attributed to JDR.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Well to be fair he did bring in JDR. So we can give him credit for that right?

He may very well be a terrible head coach, and if you are solely judging him on his win / loss record, then I can see how you can come to that conclusion. His players seem to love him though, and I don't believe it's just because he's a good guy. He has made some questionable personnel decisions and has yet to find "the guy" at the QB position, but no one talks about the good personnel decisions, or that he has tried to bring a QB here. CW was a long shot and last resort, but he tried for Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson, friggin' Mahomes, drafted Howell....

No Head Coach is batting 1.000 with regard to personnel decisions, and over half the league is trying to find their QB.