Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

[CrustyRedskin]

Was it just me or did Zeke Elliot look like a lazy pos yesterday?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Was it just me or did Zeke Elliot look like a lazy pos yesterday?

Slow fat and lazy.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Slow fat and lazy.

And ugly as fuck.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Good read: https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/1/9/2...s-in-his-debut

I tend to agree that the coaches failed in the evaluation of giving him game reps to see his progression from earlier in the season, but looking at games and scores it is hard to see where the staff would've felt comfortable putting him in tio get those based on how close the scores were, maybe in the Texans game?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Good read: https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/1/9/2...s-in-his-debut

I tend to agree that the coaches failed in the evaluation of giving him game reps to see his progression from earlier in the season, but looking at games and scores it is hard to see where the staff would've felt comfortable putting him in tio get those based on how close the scores were, maybe in the Texans game?

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

Meh, i disagree, you are using hindsight in your evaluation, at the time TH and CW were the best options we had for a playoff push.

I think we are also losing sight that the Cowboys clearly had their eyes set for next weekend. Its great we won but that was not a fired up Cowboys team by any means.

Here is thought what if you bundle SH and some draft picks to move up for one of the top picks in this years draft? Would you pull that trigger?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Meh, i disagree, you are using hindsight in your evaluation, at the time TH and CW were the best options we had for a playoff push.

I think we are also losing sight that the Cowboys clearly had their eyes set for next weekend. Its great we won but that was not a fired up Cowboys team by any means.

Here is thought what if you bundle SH and some draft picks to move up for one of the top picks in this years draft? Would you pull that trigger?

Well I have been calling for Howell for weeks along with others including SF the president of his fan club. So not hindsight. And I don’t remember anyone saying Carson is the guy. Lol.

Didn’t Dallas have a chance to win the division? If they were conceding to the Eagles I find it hard to believe they would have started everyone. We surprised them and kicked their asses.

Depends what you mean by draft picks. Im not sold on anyone coming out this year.
Howell was projected as a first rounder for alot of his time in college. He was a little off senior year. Maybe a little gun shy thinking he didn’t want to get injured and ruin his shot? He played for UNC so what was the best thing he had to play for an ACC coastal division championship shot at Clemson? I think teams were a little afraid of his height at 6-1. That is dumb. Howell was an absolute steal in the fifth round. Im not giving up serious picks and an unknown for another unknown. At least I saw Howell play an NFL game and look extremely solid. So no im not pulling that trigger. Not for someone who isn’t a Trevor Lawrence. And there is no Trevor Lawrence coming out.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

Regardless why they sat, it helped their development. Back in the day rookie QBs always sat for a year or two.

I willing to bet many prospects over the years could have flourished much better if they had the luxury of sitting and easing into the role.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

What I am saying is bring him in the last couple of drives to see how he handles in game and not just practice reps. Even if it is calling plays and handoffs with a pass on third down it helps provide insight and gives them an additional evaluation tool. Shouldn't that be part of development too?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

What I am saying is bring him in the last couple of drives to see how he handles in game and not just practice reps. Even if it is calling plays and handoffs with a pass on third down it helps provide insight and gives them an additional evaluation tool. Shouldn't that be part of development too?

this isn't high school football, the starters want their PT and you got keep your QB1 happy.

We don't have a Brady/ Rogers that you could sit and they be fine with it in a blow out. You sit anyone this year on our team at QB1 and you would rattle their confidence; its because every QB on our team was constantly looking over their shoulder and rightly fully so because none of the 3 were QB1 material in this season.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by mredskins

this isn't high school football, the starters want their PT and you got keep your QB1 happy.

We don't have a Brady/ Rogers that you could sit and they be fine with it in a blow out. You sit anyone this year on our team at QB1 and you would rattle their confidence; its because every QB on our team was constantly looking over their shoulder and rightly fully so because none of the 3 were QB1 material in this season.

What confidence? Lol minus TH and his run this year there was no such thing. And i think TH is mentally tough enough and been through enough that he'd go out and play to the best of his ability, even as small as it is, and put that aside.

[skinsfaninok]

People will look at Howell and compare him to TH but he's on another level than Taylor. I want him to be our QB1 and our future so bad lol but I also don't trust RR as a QB guy so he may not be the Starter longterm. We will see

[BaltimoreSkins]

Interesting article from 2021 that looks at trading up for "your guy" It had been done 29 times in the common draft era with mixed results.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/s...ft-quarterback

I don't want to do a king's ransom for a guy because that gamble rarely seems to work but a modest trade up if we think we can get a first round grade prospect I'd be for it.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Interesting article from 2021 that looks at trading up for "your guy" It had been done 29 times in the common draft era with mixed results.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/s...ft-quarterback

I don't want to do a king's ransom for a guy because that gamble rarely seems to work but a modest trade up if we think we can get a first round grade prospect I'd be for it.

Mixed results? Mainly bad to terrible results.