Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

[EdmundDorf]

With Howell it is not just the arm, his ball placement is light years ahead of Heinicke and Wentz, that allowed Terry and Jahan to run after the catch, also contributed to a couple of the drops as they were getting a little to eager to head upfield knowing the ball was going to arrive when it was supposed to. Directly contributed to Terrys touchdown. Still cant fathom how you start a rookie QB to "take a look" in a meaningless game and only have him pass the ball 19 times. A couple of PI should also be added to the evaluation of his completion/yardage stats

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

With Howell it is not just the arm, his ball placement is light years ahead of Heinicke and Wentz, that allowed Terry and Jahan to run after the catch, also contributed to a couple of the drops as they were getting a little to eager to head upfield knowing the ball was going to arrive when it was supposed to. Directly contributed to Terrys touchdown. Still cant fathom how you start a rookie QB to "take a look" in a meaningless game and only have him pass the ball 19 times. A couple of PI should also be added to the evaluation of his completion/yardage stats

Yeah the 19 passes while taking a look was really just another wtf move by this staff. Turner really has no business being employed in the NFL. That deep ball to Terry would have been either hanging up in the air or tailed towards the sideline if noodle arm threw it. His decisions to run when he did - i saw a few of them because I wound up in front of a tv were super encouraging. A mobile quarterback is so refreshing. Wentz can’t run and Taylor just chose not to. He kept drives alive more than once. His awareness and ability to see the field were superb for his first start. He will be our starter next year and we can address all our other problems in FA and the draft. Idk how he ultimately will pan out, but I feel a hell of alot better going into next year than I did this one.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

With Howell it is not just the arm, his ball placement is light years ahead of Heinicke and Wentz, that allowed Terry and Jahan to run after the catch, also contributed to a couple of the drops as they were getting a little to eager to head upfield knowing the ball was going to arrive when it was supposed to. Directly contributed to Terrys touchdown. Still cant fathom how you start a rookie QB to "take a look" in a meaningless game and only have him pass the ball 19 times. A couple of PI should also be added to the evaluation of his completion/yardage stats

To be fair, he had 25 dropbacks out of 63 plays, which is about the right formula for this team. He was sacked three times and decided to run three times. I think it was a balance of evaluating Howell while also trying to win the game.

He looked pretty good overall, minus that one terrible INT, and most importantly, he answered the question as to whether he should be in the conversation next year. He should be, and he very well may be "the guy" going forward, but there should also be a legitimate competition. You can't conclusively say he's the guy after 25 dropbacks/19 passes, five rushes, one TD, and one INT.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

To be fair, he had 25 dropbacks out of 63 plays, which is about the right formula for this team. He was sacked three times and decided to run three times. I think it was a balance of evaluating Howell while also trying to win the game.

He looked pretty good overall, minus that one terrible INT, and most importantly, he answered the question as to whether he should be in the conversation next year. He should be, and he very well may be "the guy" going forward, but there should also be a legitimate competition. You can't conclusively say he's the guy after 25 dropbacks/19 passes, five rushes, one TD, and one INT.

Definitely cannot but the question is how much do we want to pay or give up for that competition based on what we saw? I mean there is definitely a little blind faith involved moving forward. I saw enough to say let’s roll the dice and not give up picks to move up for anyone coming out this year. Probably enough to pass on someone who falls to us and take oline or cb or something else we need. If we take someone in the fourth or Fifth again like maybe the kid out of byu (forget his name) and let them battle it out thats fine.

[Stacks42]

“That was as thorough a butt-kicking as we’ve had this year." - Jerry Jones

Well that quote made me smile. HTTR!!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

“That was as thorough a butt-kicking as we’ve had this year." - Jerry Jones

Well that quote made me smile. HTTR!!

Beating the cowboys never gets old, but embarrassing on the game of the week is nice

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Definitely cannot but the question is how much do we want to pay or give up for that competition based on what we saw? I mean there is definitely a little blind faith involved moving forward. I saw enough to say let’s roll the dice and not give up picks to move up for anyone coming out this year. Probably enough to pass on someone who falls to us and take oline or cb or something else we need. If we take someone in the fourth or Fifth again like maybe the kid out of byu (forget his name) and let them battle it out thats fine.

How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.

That is best case scenario too imo. Problem is i have zero faith in Rons ability to evaluate anyone. Even people who have been here. I also have zero faith in Turner being able to put Sam, Taylor, or anyone else in an optimum position to succeed.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.

First thing we gotta know, is Scott Turner here next year? If so, offer Henike the 4.5 per back up QB money and explain the vision is he will be the primary back up. But know if they find a QB they like in the draft, they will take him.

If Scott Turner is gone…then Henike should be too. The value in TH was he knew the Turner system inside/out. From what I heard Turner offense is pretty complicated. Depending on new OC, that should indicate which veteran QB to bring in.

(Please let it be Nathaniel Hackett and let the QB be AR)