Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

[BaltimoreSkins]

Good read: https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/1/9/2...s-in-his-debut

I tend to agree that the coaches failed in the evaluation of giving him game reps to see his progression from earlier in the season, but looking at games and scores it is hard to see where the staff would've felt comfortable putting him in tio get those based on how close the scores were, maybe in the Texans game?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Good read: https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/1/9/2...s-in-his-debut

I tend to agree that the coaches failed in the evaluation of giving him game reps to see his progression from earlier in the season, but looking at games and scores it is hard to see where the staff would've felt comfortable putting him in tio get those based on how close the scores were, maybe in the Texans game?

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

Meh, i disagree, you are using hindsight in your evaluation, at the time TH and CW were the best options we had for a playoff push.

I think we are also losing sight that the Cowboys clearly had their eyes set for next weekend. Its great we won but that was not a fired up Cowboys team by any means.

Here is thought what if you bundle SH and some draft picks to move up for one of the top picks in this years draft? Would you pull that trigger?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Meh, i disagree, you are using hindsight in your evaluation, at the time TH and CW were the best options we had for a playoff push.

I think we are also losing sight that the Cowboys clearly had their eyes set for next weekend. Its great we won but that was not a fired up Cowboys team by any means.

Here is thought what if you bundle SH and some draft picks to move up for one of the top picks in this years draft? Would you pull that trigger?

Well I have been calling for Howell for weeks along with others including SF the president of his fan club. So not hindsight. And I don’t remember anyone saying Carson is the guy. Lol.

Didn’t Dallas have a chance to win the division? If they were conceding to the Eagles I find it hard to believe they would have started everyone. We surprised them and kicked their asses.

Depends what you mean by draft picks. Im not sold on anyone coming out this year.
Howell was projected as a first rounder for alot of his time in college. He was a little off senior year. Maybe a little gun shy thinking he didn’t want to get injured and ruin his shot? He played for UNC so what was the best thing he had to play for an ACC coastal division championship shot at Clemson? I think teams were a little afraid of his height at 6-1. That is dumb. Howell was an absolute steal in the fifth round. Im not giving up serious picks and an unknown for another unknown. At least I saw Howell play an NFL game and look extremely solid. So no im not pulling that trigger. Not for someone who isn’t a Trevor Lawrence. And there is no Trevor Lawrence coming out.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well I have been calling for Howell for weeks along with others including SF the president of his fan club. So not hindsight. And I don’t remember anyone saying Carson is the guy. Lol.

Didn’t Dallas have a chance to win the division? If they were conceding to the Eagles I find it hard to believe they would have started everyone. We surprised them and kicked their asses.

Depends what you mean by draft picks. Im not sold on anyone coming out this year.
Howell was projected as a first rounder for alot of his time in college. He was a little off senior year. Maybe a little gun shy thinking he didn’t want to get injured and ruin his shot? He played for UNC so what was the best thing he had to play for an ACC coastal division championship shot at Clemson? I think teams were a little afraid of his height at 6-1. That is dumb. Howell was an absolute steal in the fifth round. Im not giving up serious picks and an unknown for another unknown. At least I saw Howell play an NFL game and look extremely solid. So no im not pulling that trigger. Not for someone who isn’t a Trevor Lawrence. And there is no Trevor Lawrence coming out.

Bryce Young is supposed to be this years stud and he’s built like a twig and is even shorter than Howell. Be interesting to see where he goes in the draft.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Bryce Young is supposed to be this years stud and he’s built like a twig and is even shorter than Howell. Be interesting to see where he goes in the draft.

Yeah no thanks. I like Levis better. T- Rich better. Hell no on Stroud. OSU quarterbacks scare the hell out of me.

The recipe is simple for our offense. Build the oline. Get a good OC.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rodgers was playing behind a hall of famer and Brady got his first start because Bledsoe got injured. Little different than trotting out Carson Wentz and Taylor Heinekie for five games when it was obvious neither one was getting the job done and we literally needed one or two wins to get in the playoffs. I totally agree he learned by sitting but I think it is safe to say he was a better option and had enough learning under his belt a mere month ago.

Regardless why they sat, it helped their development. Back in the day rookie QBs always sat for a year or two.

I willing to bet many prospects over the years could have flourished much better if they had the luxury of sitting and easing into the role.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Food for thought. Was letting him sit and better understand the position not part of his development? It's not like they kept him in the broom closet.

Look at Rogers career look at Brady's career both sat and learned too start.

What I am saying is bring him in the last couple of drives to see how he handles in game and not just practice reps. Even if it is calling plays and handoffs with a pass on third down it helps provide insight and gives them an additional evaluation tool. Shouldn't that be part of development too?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

What I am saying is bring him in the last couple of drives to see how he handles in game and not just practice reps. Even if it is calling plays and handoffs with a pass on third down it helps provide insight and gives them an additional evaluation tool. Shouldn't that be part of development too?

this isn't high school football, the starters want their PT and you got keep your QB1 happy.

We don't have a Brady/ Rogers that you could sit and they be fine with it in a blow out. You sit anyone this year on our team at QB1 and you would rattle their confidence; its because every QB on our team was constantly looking over their shoulder and rightly fully so because none of the 3 were QB1 material in this season.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by mredskins

this isn't high school football, the starters want their PT and you got keep your QB1 happy.

We don't have a Brady/ Rogers that you could sit and they be fine with it in a blow out. You sit anyone this year on our team at QB1 and you would rattle their confidence; its because every QB on our team was constantly looking over their shoulder and rightly fully so because none of the 3 were QB1 material in this season.

What confidence? Lol minus TH and his run this year there was no such thing. And i think TH is mentally tough enough and been through enough that he'd go out and play to the best of his ability, even as small as it is, and put that aside.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Meks

What confidence? Lol minus TH and his run this year there was no such thing. And i think TH is mentally tough enough and been through enough that he'd go out and play to the best of his ability, even as small as it is, and put that aside.

The confidence of being the starting QB.

IMO we are splitting hairs a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to speed the development of SH and to your point getting yanked for a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to rattle TH/CW.


Point is moot.

I think a lot of times folks like to think of scenarios to further shit on this coaching staff. Not that i think they are great but at some point we are just pissing on dead horses.

[SFREDSKIN]

The only reason folks here have doubts on Howell is because he was drafted in the 5th round and his height. Well, guess what? He's going to prove all the doubters wrong, will win the starting job and be your QB of the future. Get used to it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The confidence of being the starting QB.

IMO we are splitting hairs a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to speed the development of SH and to your point getting yanked for a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to rattle TH/CW.


Point is moot.

I think a lot of times folks like to think of scenarios to further shit on this coaching staff. Not that i think they are great but at some point we are just pissing on dead horses.

I think a lot of fans are underestimating Snyder's meddling of the team, and how much that has shit on the coaching staff (past and present). Let's take a look at the QBs Snyder has forced the team to get:

Wentz
Haskins
Alex Smith (love the guy, but still)
RG3

That's several years of wasted picks, money, development, effort, etc., etc. Not to justify or be an apologist for the current coaching staff, but I think people tend to forget that our horrible owner still meddles with football matters.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The confidence of being the starting QB.

IMO we are splitting hairs a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to speed the development of SH and to your point getting yanked for a few reps in a meaningless blow out was never going to rattle TH/CW.


Point is moot.

I think a lot of times folks like to think of scenarios to further shit on this coaching staff. Not that i think they are great but at some point we are just pissing on dead horses.

It was about evaluating him not developing him. It was one more tool they could have used that is all. If the coaching staff was worried about the confidence of our backup QB not being able to fulfill his duties because Sam Howell got a few reps I don't know what to say about that.