Scott Turner Fired

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Rivera should call Gibbs and have him school his ass on how an Air Coryell offense operates.

The Coryell offense is a combination of deep and mid range passing and power running.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Vertical passing attack..... or controlling the clock to keep the opposing offense off the field. Pick one.

No, I disagree. You don't have to pick one. Just because you want to control the pace of the game with a solid physical running game, does not also mean that you don't have the ability to stretch the field with a vertical passing game, and/or you won't take your shots when the opportunities are there.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I honestly don't get all the fuss.

"...There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team."

GOOD!

You can have a physical running game and a vertical passing game. You can have a vertical passing game "LED" by a power run game. It's not like you have to choose one of the two. I mean do you want to be a "non"-physical running team, or do you want to be a physical running team? Pretty easy answer if you ask me. Maybe all they are talking about is the same thing all of us have been talking about, which is they want to remake the offensive line so they can be more "physical". I'm ok with that. It doesn't mean they are going to stop throwing the ball to McLaurin, Dotson, etc. I think they realize the value in them, which is why McLaurin was extended and they picked Dotson in the 1st round.

It's easy to make something out of nothing with everything us fans have been through over the last two plus decades, but sometimes it's just not as bad as it may seem.

This is my favorite offense. Best of both worlds.

[mooby]

https://twitter.com/PeteHaileyNBCS/s...24351468425216

Originally Posted by Pete Hailey

Where does Ron go now at OC — hire an old buddy or really try to inject new ideas and a new perspective? His track record here suggests the former. His future may largely depend on doing the latter

Hailey nails it here. We're looking at a Mayhew type yes-man to be Ron's pound the rock offensive coordinator.

[sdskinsfan2001]

List of teams by % of pass plays.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Pretty surprising. There are 10 teams below us. 5 made the playoffs.

3 of those teams were the Giants, Ravens, and Eagles. All 3 had QBs that rushed for over 700 yards. Lots of those were likely pass calls where they kept the ball and scrambled. So their numbers may be skewed a bit.

The other 2 were the 49ers and Cowboys. Those numbers were also likely skewed by QB injuries and having good running backs.

But still, I wouldn't have guessed 10 teams passed less by % and 5 of those teams made the playoffs.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Power running game does not equal how many attempts you run it.

You can have a power running game but still only run the ball 40% of the time. Power is a style, not a number.

[punch it in]

Bobby Slowik could be an interesting name to consider.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Bobby Slowik could be an interesting name to consider.

I'd prefer Bobby Fastwik.

(I'm here all week)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd prefer Bobby Fastwik.

(I'm here all week)

Lol. Thought about Blewitt as I was typing that. But honestly the guy started his career in Washington. Now the passing game coordinator for the Niners. Sounds about perfect to me.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Thought about Blewitt as I was typing that. But honestly the guy started his career in Washington. Now the passing game coordinator for the Niners. Sounds about perfect to me.

He's 35 and knows what a good offense looks like, I'd be all for him. I'd have zero complaints with that hire.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Please, please mean that Snyder is selling the team. Because it's basically official now, that Rivera is coming back in 2023. Hopefully this is essentially a 1 year prove it deal for Rivera to be retained by the new owner if we look good in 2023. I think the defense is pretty solid. Franchise or re-sign Payne, and draft a CB and LB. Possibly re-sign Holcomb.

Turning an offensive line from a sieve to functional will be way harder.

I'm on the Howell train and I think any O.C. will be an upgrade over Turner.

So if you can keep the defense solid and fix the OL, 2023 can be a solid season imo.

I hope Rivera and Co. bring in a consultant or 12 to analyze possible OL players.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Please, please mean that Snyder is selling the team. Because it's basically official now, that Rivera is coming back in 2023. Hopefully this is essentially a 1 year prove it deal for Rivera to be retained by the new owner if we look good in 2023. I think the defense is pretty solid. Franchise or re-sign Payne, and draft a CB and LB. Possibly re-sign Holcomb.

Turning an offensive line from a sieve to functional will be way harder.

I'm on the Howell train and I think any O.C. will be an upgrade over Turner.

So if you can keep the defense solid and fix the OL, 2023 can be a solid season imo.

I hope Rivera and Co. bring in a consultant or 12 to analyze possible OL players.

Rivera has had his entire career to prove it. He has proven that he finishes 80% of his seasons with losing records. I hate that he is coming back because he brings absolutely nothing to the table.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rivera has had his entire career to prove it. He has proven that he finishes 80% of his seasons with losing records. I hate that he is coming back because he brings absolutely nothing to the table.

I don't love him coming back either. That's why I'm hoping his coming back means Snyder is selling because he doesn't want to pay his remaining contract and any new owner would very likely rather keep Rivera for a year then hire their own coach after 2023 if the season looks like 2020-2022. Rather than fire a new H.C. after 1 season.

But if somehow Rivera actually succeeded in fixing the OL, maintaining the D, and hiring an OC that helped us get to 9+ wins, he might stick around longer.

[rocnrik]

With the state of our QB situation it only makes sense to want to RUN first and PASS second … now that would completely change if we had a big time gun slinger QB .. The 49ers have a real shot at a Super Bowl with a rookie QB (last draft pick) combined with a solid Run game and a TOP Defense.. sounds a little like what Ron wants to do. Gonna take a great OC to get us there ..

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

With the state of our QB situation it only makes sense to want to RUN first and PASS second … now that would completely change if we had a big time gun slinger QB .. The 49ers have a real shot at a Super Bowl with a rookie QB (last draft pick) combined with a solid Run game and a TOP Defense.. sounds a little like what Ron wants to do. Gonna take a great OC to get us there ..

But you have to factor in that our offensive line was fucking terrible at pass protection. They were so fucking bad at protecting the QB, by default we had to run the ball as much as possible.